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Political notes from Free Press staff writers Terri Hallenbeck, Sam Hemingway and Nancy Remsen

4.22.2008

Wheels on the bus

Are the wheels coming off the bus on the legislative session?

Today featured a dust-up between IBM's John O'Kane and Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin over Vermont Yankee. With credit to VPR, here is the exchange:

O'Kane "Money has time value, and you're changing the time..

Shumlin: "We are not asking for the money. You're lying about that. We are not asking for the money. The bill says..."

O'Kane: "Peter, that is.. You just called me a liar.."

Shumlin: "I said you're not telling the truth about that, John."

O'Kane: "You called me a liar. That is unacceptable. You're the president of the Senate, and you're calling me, a representative of the largest employer..."

Shumlin: "You're representing what is not true, John, to the public..".

Then Gov. Jim Douglas issued a statement:

"I’ve called IBM to let them know that the disrespect and contempt displayed by Senator Shumlin today does not in anyway reflect the point of view of the State of Vermont."

Meanwhile, on the economic stimulus front, legislative leaders created a committee that will study the governor's proposal released Saturday. Here is the paragraph from their news release that indicates they are "dubious" through their use of "quotes" around the words "economic stimulus," yet they want on the other hand to show that they knew before Douglas did that the economy was tanking and were trying to do things about it.

"The Committee on Economic Recovery and Opportunity will also review the
Administration’s “economic stimulus” plan to assess how it will
impact Vermonters’ lives today and for years beyond the current budget
cycle. Governor Douglas’ announcement of his economic growth
initiative last week signals that he has begun to understand the extent
to which the recession is hitting Vermont families. We are pleased that
he has included ideas that have been offered by the legislature and that
have been in rejected by the Governor's Office in the past."

You know how the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round? I don't know if that's true once the wheels come off the bus.

- Terri Hallenbeck

posted by vt.Buzz | 7:04 PM |

Comments:

As the Titanic slips even more rapidly into the water, Captain Shumlin assures all passengers that he is still in charge.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 8:00 PM, April 22, 2008

Better question, Terri: Who's driving this bus, and why did everybody wait 'till it went over a cliff before they decided to put thier seat belts on?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 11:31 PM, April 22, 2008

Once again, Sen Shumlin embarrasses Vermont.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 5:40 AM, April 23, 2008

Where do we send $$ to Daryl Pillsburys campaign to unseat this fool? GO DARYL!!

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:23 AM, April 23, 2008

Shumlin has lifted a page from the JWcoop playbook. If you can't win the argument on fact, do it with insults.

He clearly hasn't mastered the entire vocabulary yet. He didn't yet use 'bupkis', 'factually-challenged', 'gop-slop' or 'deducebag'.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:50 AM, April 23, 2008

If, as Shumlin said, the bill does not ask for the money , then O'Kane is lying; ie, misrepresenting the truth.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:09 AM, April 23, 2008

If you don't want to be called a liar, then don't misrepresent the facts. "Spin" is nothing more than
lying because it misrepresents the
facts. We have become inured to this because we have been sold the idea that facts are relative to point of view. They are not.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:13 AM, April 23, 2008

To the residents of Essex, do you suppose your taxes might increase if IBM moves out of state because they do not want to pay 40% more in utility rates?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:24 AM, April 23, 2008

Do you suppose that Essex residents are not already subsidizing IBM?
Why should a company which would leave an environmental mess for the state and its taxpayers not be required to be held responsible for the clean-up? Maybe you and your town would like to absorb these costs?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:28 AM, April 23, 2008

If IBM is a liability to Essex, there are a few towns that would love to take that burden off your back.
Peter, you can't be serious!

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:46 AM, April 23, 2008

Cool. Chase the one significant technology player out of our state. I am sure we can offset the tax loss with our maple syrup business.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:58 AM, April 23, 2008

Vermont's "ace in the hole" is the carbon credits we will be selling.

Are there any more graduates from Bernie's EC101 class that want businesses to leave because they are a burden?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 8:15 AM, April 23, 2008

Strange. Douglas wasn't quite so concerned about O'Kane's feelings when he uncerimoniously tossed him off the state's Public Oversight Commission. Political whores will do anything to make themselves look better I guess.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 8:36 AM, April 23, 2008

Gov Doesless is just an opportunistic political animal.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 8:47 AM, April 23, 2008

(1) Has Douglas chased any businesses out of Vermont?

(2) Has Douglas raised the taxes of Vermonters?

(3) Did Douglas warn about passing a "reform" bill that would ultimately cost Vermont taxpayers millions when overturned by the Supremes?

(4) Has Douglas reneged on done deals with businesses like Entergy?

(5) Has Douglas insulted any prominent business people in the state that provide good jobs for working Vermonters?

(6) Has Douglas attempted to reduce the size of Vermont's bloated state work force?

(7) Has Douglas tried to rein in the radical "no growth" crowd like ANRC and CLF?

O.K. - now substitute Shumlin's name in place of Douglas and ask yourselves the same questions.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 9:27 AM, April 23, 2008

There is no need for public officials to throw around insults like "liar." It's as if the liberal echo chamber is so used to calling everyone they disagree with every insulting name in the book that Shumlin forgot to turn the partisan hatred switch off when he was in public.

Disagree with O'Kane. Correct him. Debate him. But it is simply immature and irresponsible to personally insult the representative of such a respected and important part of our (dwindling) non-ag, non-tourist economy. Reprehensible and unforgivable.

Do folks not understand how tenuous our states economic situation is, as the Dem supermajority demonstrates over and oer again that it has no plan other than to recommend the impeachment of Bush?!

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 9:28 AM, April 23, 2008

Jim Douglas disagreed with O'Kane about some decisions he had made on the POC that didn't sit well with our governor. He didn't correct or debate him, he tossed him out the door. Talk about immature.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:01 AM, April 23, 2008

NEK

I was speaking o the costs of environmental cleanup after Vermont Yankee decommissions. Will you and your town accept the bill for this?
The state shouldn't have to either.
That was the point of the discussion that led to the comment by Shumlin.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:48 AM, April 23, 2008

Barre Boy

Tell Mr. Cheney about politeness to the opposition. Recommend that he clean up his mouth, then you can be
holier-than thou about polite discourse.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:49 AM, April 23, 2008

Dealing honestly with others is at least as important as dealing politely with them. Twisting the intent or the meaning of legislation to raise support against it is hardly honest or polite.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 11:08 AM, April 23, 2008

Anon 10:48
A decommissioning fund of $425 million is already set up in a trust for clean up. What S.373 requires is for an additional clean up of $400 million. This is an arbitrary amount that Shumlin pulled out of the air for this bill. Your concern about clean up should be satisfied with this amount. Obviously no one wants to pay for someone else's environmental mess but assessing someone twice the amount needed is just a ploy to force Vermont Yankee to close.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 11:25 AM, April 23, 2008

Yeah, let's get stuck having to bail out VY just like we had to bail out Bear Stearns and Enron. These GOP lovers must love giving their money to corporate America. I don't.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 11:33 AM, April 23, 2008

Enron bailout? They went out of business. Maybe that is a bailout in VT terms but not to me.

Bear Sterns was purchased by JP Morgan, not bailed out by the Gov't. The Fed did a bridge loan to JP Morgan but expects repayment. I am not sure that is a bailout. They could have let Bear Sterns fail but the impact to the Gov't of a failure was much greater than providing a loan. Seems like a market based financial decision made by the Fed, not a government entitlement effort.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 11:47 AM, April 23, 2008

You would prefer to close Vermont Yankee and let our electric rates increase 30%-40%. It's nice to know some people don't have to worry about where their next meal is coming from!
We bailed out Bear Stearns- not sure we should have but I certainly would not have done it without the CEO forfeiting his $22 million bonus- I think that is/was criminal.
We did not bail out Enron, the poor investors were the losers and the officers went to jail, except Ken Lay who died. Their energy dealings all took place during the Clinton years but were brought to justice during Bush's term.
While you are accusing the GOP, don't forget about Terry McAuliffe, a Clinton crony, who invested $100k in Global Crossing and cashed out 2 years later with $18 million- eventually leaving stockholders high and dry.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 12:13 PM, April 23, 2008

Do these people that constantly attack Entergy or IBM even have jobs? (I note that they seem to blog all hours of the day) My guess is that they are either naive students that have been spoon-fed the anti-American pablum by their "professors" or layabouts living either off the dole or their daddy's trustfund (created by the businesses they love to hate). Sort of like jw clones. Even worse, when the US is in one of it's cyclical downturns, what do we send to Washington but a know-nothing demagogue like BS (Bernie Sanders)!This is when he is in his glory, ranting and raving to empty chambers about "the rich", oil prices (which he has no solution to), or NAFTA (a democrat initiative signed by Clinton)!

TAKE BACK VERMONT!!!

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:10 PM, April 23, 2008

10:49: Nice non sequitur. Guess what -- Cheney was wrong, too, as far aas I'm concerned. Now what say you?

The coarsening of our public discourse is leading us down a very scary trail.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:15 PM, April 23, 2008

Maybe they're just old farts like yourself Bubba. Obese, bitter and not long for this world (thank God).

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:26 PM, April 23, 2008

To the person who asked where to send contributions to Daryl Pillsbury's campaign for Senate, here's the info:

http://www.pillsburyforsenate.com

Pillsbury for Senate
141 Belmont Avenue
Brattleboro, VT 05301

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:52 PM, April 23, 2008

This is scarey....usually everything Shumlin does has a political motive
This time I think he was just plain overboard
If and whenever Shumlin runs for anything outside of Windham Cty this will jump up and take a huge bite out odf his liberal a$$

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 2:02 PM, April 23, 2008

The Tuskegee study was very sad rl j. However, I don't believe that it ever floated around as an unproven conspiracy theory until it was finally proven. It was conducted out in the open.

The problem with these conspiracy theories is that they require large numbers of people to be involved and keep their pie-holes shut. And we all know that is simply not possible.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 3:00 PM, April 23, 2008

Shap will fix it when he becomes Speaker

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 8:13 PM, April 23, 2008

Awww man why did y'all have to go and provoke him like that?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:00 PM, April 23, 2008

On the night of February 25th 1994, a Jewish American Zionist physician decided to materialize the dream of the typical Zionist movement of annihilating the Arab existence in Palestine. Baruch Goldstein prepared for the move. It was during Ramadan when Dr. Goldstein decided to execute his old plan of vengeance.

At that time of the holy month of Ramadan, there were many people who flocked the Abraham Mosque to perform their prayers. Goldstein passed two army checkpoints at the dawn of February 25, 1994 from the northeastern gate of the mosque near privy. That privy could be the reason why Goldstein decided on that gate because he, probably, received his contemplation about Arabs from the Rabbis of Kach in Kiryat Arab where the Arabs were described as the demons of the privy. [Talmud - Mas. Kiddushin 72a ''Shew me the Ishmaelites.'-'They are like the demons of the privy.''] The privy of the mosque is important not only because it has two Israeli army checkpoints on its nearby mosque's gate, but also because it is surrounded by Israeli army posts from the east and army patrols in the west. So Dr. goldstein was acting from the deepest parts of the Zionistic ideology in liquidating the demons. But in this case and as a typical Zionist, shooting from the back was the style. Dr. Goldstein walked at least 100 yards in the mosque before he decided to choose the exact location to liquidate his demons. Dr. Goldstein positioned himself at the last row of the main hall, just opposite to the Imam's place (Manbar.) The position was not arbitrary not only because it enabled him to shoot directly at the largest number of the backs of the worshippers but also because it was supposed to have enabled him to get a fast escape or protection from the Israeli soldiers who were scattered right behind him in the northern hall "the plate" of the mosque.

Dr. Goldstein thought about the best moment to execute the plan: maximize the number of casualties and secure the escape or rescue. The best moment, of course, was when the Muslim worshippers knelt on the floor with their backs towards Dr. Goldstein.

Learn the truth. Because Bubba and Shumlin are going to continue hiding it from you.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:02 PM, April 23, 2008

And your point would be....?

Ya never have to scratch a gop too hard to find an Anti-Semitic slimeball.

Gee, ya gonna start citing the protocols of the elders of Zion now, schmuck!

There's just never enough anonymous, anti-Semites spewing psychotic slop in the name of God and Country.

Then again, like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Nazis, without Anti-Semitic Scum who fancy themselves to be Soldiers of God, Gops and the klan are out of business.

Take your ignorant, anonymous slop, hop the rat line to Argentina and tell your story walkin', schmuck.

Gai Tren Zich!

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 10:43 PM, April 23, 2008

Look at the facts, JWMoron.

1) Larry Craig.
2) Eliott Spitzer
3) Baruch Goldstein
4) Bohr Niels Henrik David
5) Jeff Gannon

A fetus is not the same individual as its mother. This can be shown by DNA testing, no philosophy is necessary. Argue if you must, but that's just a fact.

If a nazi takes a dump in a privy and wakes up the next morning as a nazi, the argument still holds.

Wake up and smell the potato latkes, fool.

The libs in Vermont won't tell you the truth. Too busy arguing about potholes and healthcare scandals.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:50 PM, April 23, 2008

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:50 PM, April 23, 2008

That's true. But next time we won't pay for VT Yankee's sins with a spy in a privy. We'll be paying in shekels.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:54 PM, April 23, 2008

shekles, dollars, euros, wampum. s'all the same in the end. you can pay with beef bullion if you want to.

In the end you have to pay. That will be the legacy of James R. Douglas.

Won't matter to him. He'll move back to his family cottage in the Hamptons ... and leave us to pay the pipper.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 11:06 PM, April 23, 2008

Pay the pipper, eh?

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 11:08 PM, April 23, 2008

Save Vermont - Impeach Shumlin!

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 12:07 AM, April 24, 2008

Coopy,

Great playbook execution....

insult, insult, insult....no facts, no substance, no civility....a quick dismissed and on to your next tirade.

You are a pro. How would we get by without you?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:39 AM, April 24, 2008

Seems like the leftists in this country are the ones selling out Israel, doesn't it? The chief apologist for Hamas and the rest of the terrorists sure seems to be jw's old pal Jimmy Carter. And I don't know who the previous nutcake anti-Israel bloggers are, but I'll bet they sure aren't Republicans! Sound more like your basic downtown Burlington progs.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:41 AM, April 24, 2008

Let's hope that "Brass Knuckles" Floyd is successful in his bid for Speaker. He and Shumlin would make quite the pair.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:55 AM, April 24, 2008

"shekles, dollars, euros, wampum. s'all the same in the end. you can pay with beef bullion if you want to."

When the government starts forcing citizens to expose themselves to the terrors of the natural world, then you'll see.

Try getting healtcare when all of our money is tied up in Israeli missles.

Try protecting our borders when all of our money is tied up in a Clinton-esque rampage in the Persian Gulf.

Jim Douglas isn't there for us. He's there to obscure clear and reasonable facts.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 9:07 AM, April 24, 2008

You're the one without evidence. You accuse people of anti-semitism just because I bring up the name Baruch Goldstein?

Sound like I hit a sore spot.

Wake up and smell the matzo, schumck.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 11:18 AM, April 24, 2008

Back to topic at hand--
Sen Shumlin is playing Russian Roulette with the future of Vermont- both with our energy and our largest employer. If we had an extension cord we could plug into an energy source that would even come close to Vt Yankee's cost it would be an issue worth debating but that source has not been invented- all the wind, wood chips and hydro will not replace 1/3rd of VT's needs. Conservation, although commendable and needed, will not fill the void.
Shumlin should be sent to the corner of the Senate with his dunce hat and placard "I'm Sorry IBM".

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 12:29 PM, April 24, 2008

Hey all you Republican lovers (and self-proclaimed protecters of the Vermont way of life). How do you feel about the Free Press outsourcing its ad design to India? This will cost working Vermonters their jobs. It also takes money out of the Vermont economy.

Who am I kidding. You could probably give a good S*^t.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 12:40 PM, April 24, 2008

You make a good point- based on economies of scale BFP ads to India = Loss of IBM and VT Yankee.
Let's get real!

and Coopy- what??

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 12:50 PM, April 24, 2008

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

"You're the one without evidence. You accuse people of anti-semitism just because I bring up the name Baruch Goldstein?"

And just how am I doing that, herr hate-speech? By your own admission, you brought him up. Why? To what end?

Again, just how is Baruch Goldstein relevant to the matter before us, herr hate-speech?

That's what I thought.

"Sound like I hit a sore spot."

Your ignorant, neo-nazi nitwit ass couldn't hit water if ya fell out of a boat in the middle of the lake, schmuck.

Wake up and smell the matzo, schmuck."

Thanks for that factually-challenged, little, neo-nazi nitwit with bupkis perspective, little bigoted-trash fella.

Clearly, you have all the credibility one would associate with anonymous scum spewin' Anti-Semitic slop on the internet, schmuck.

Gai tren zich

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 12:54 PM, April 24, 2008

nek won't address the main issues at hand. Plays ignorant. India is not a river in Egypt little fella.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 12:55 PM, April 24, 2008

Sorry- I'm just a working stiff Vermonter and I can't break your codes but I did learn to read the paper. This is the 2nd time Sen Shumlin has tried to blackmail Vermont Yankee and he is using coercion to convince his party to go along with him.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:10 PM, April 24, 2008

It's terrible when legislators ask that the rate payer's money is used for it's intended use.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:17 PM, April 24, 2008

We have utilities to charge ratepayers. They work under the guidance of the PSB. This is so the ratepayers DON'T end up paying for non-utility items. In the case of Vermont Yankee, we have paid for the estimated cleanup- Shumlin now wants the ratepayers to fund a second round of cleanup funds (400 million) that has already been escrowed. What point are you making?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:28 PM, April 24, 2008

Rate payers have paid into the decommissioning fund.

It isn't a hard concept.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:34 PM, April 24, 2008

NEK has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

"Sorry- I'm just a working stiff Vermonter and I can't break your codes but I did learn to read the paper."

How is it that all you self-proclaimed "working stiff Vermonters" are available 24/7 to spew your ignorant slop?

Either business is really slow and you're goofin' off on Company time or business is really slow and you're goofin' off on your own time.

Either way, you're ignorant, anonymous trash with bupkis and an inordinate amount of free time to spew your factually-challenged slop for self-proclaimed "working-stiff Vermonters".

Just how do ya account for that, little fella?

That's what I thought.

You're not just ignorant, anonymous trash with bupkis, evidently, you're unemployed ignorant trash with bupkis.

Given the collective ignorance of you coalition of the clueless cretins, that's not at all surprising.

Adult Basic Education. Look into it, schmuck.

Clearly, we're not spending enough on Education in Vermont.

"This is the 2nd time Sen Shumlin has tried to blackmail Vermont Yankee and he is using coercion to convince his party to go along with him."

Really? And just how is he doing that, little factually-challenged, poor, put-upon, persecuted "working-stiff Vermonter" fella?

That's what I thought.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 1:38 PM, April 24, 2008

It is a hard concept for some people.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:38 PM, April 24, 2008

duh- read my post- that is what I said- they paid it once- they shouldn't have to pay it again because it isn't necessary.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:39 PM, April 24, 2008

It seems that lefty Shumlin-clones just can't understand the concept of "a deal is a deal"! Who would want to operate in Vermont if Shumlin can change the rules whenever he has one of his "petulant" moments? Oh that's right, his acolytes are all from the Bernie Sanders school of "there are no rules when dealing with business"!

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:47 PM, April 24, 2008

NEK said...

"We have utilities to charge ratepayers. They work under the guidance of the PSB. This is so the ratepayers DON'T end up paying for non-utility items. In the case of Vermont Yankee, we have paid for the estimated cleanup-"

"Shumlin now wants the ratepayers to fund a second round of cleanup funds (400 million) that has already been escrowed."

He does, eh? And your evidence of that is.....?

That's what I thought.

"What point are you making?"

Actually, I'm just letting you spew your psychotic slop and prove
that you're ignorant trash with bupkis and ya don't know what the hell you're talkin' about?

That'll do for now, nitwit.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 1:47 PM, April 24, 2008

NEK has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

duh- read my post- that is what I said- they paid it once- they shouldn't have to pay it again because it isn't necessary.

Duh, you spew a lot of ignorant slop with no basis in fact, little fella. You're gonna have to do something unprecedented for your ignorant, anonymous ass and come up with some actual evidence because your word is worth less than Enron's.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 1:51 PM, April 24, 2008

JWcoop shouldn't you be on the Star Trek blog? You do not believe facts- and Star Trek is a perfect fit for someone into fiction.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:55 PM, April 24, 2008

bubba said...

"It seems that lefty Shumlin-clones just can't understand the concept of "a deal is a deal"!"

In other words, bubbles, you're ignorant trash with bupkis and without a case or a clue.

Get one or get lost, punk.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 1:55 PM, April 24, 2008

NEK has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

"JWcoop shouldn't you be on the Star Trek blog? You do not believe facts- and Star Trek is a perfect fit for someone into fiction."

In other words, you're ignorant trash with bupkis and nary a case or a clue.

The next fact your ignorant ass produces will be your first, little factually-challenged fella.

Get one or get lost.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 2:00 PM, April 24, 2008

Or should it be the Loony Tunes blog?
remember them old geezer?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 2:33 PM, April 24, 2008

Stand clear. Coopy is about to set a personal best for the number of times he has used the word bupkis today.

He is such a charmer....and eloquent too.

Be careful NEK, I think Dr. Bupkis is developing a fondness for your posts :-)

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 2:51 PM, April 24, 2008

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

"Stand clear. Coopy is about to set a personal best for the number of times he has used the word bupkis today."

So, what you're saying is that you're ignorant trash without a case or a clue.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little factually-challenged fella.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 5:05 PM, April 24, 2008

"So, what you're saying is that you're ignorant trash without a case or a clue."

No, jerkwad, what the poster said pretty much indicated you were.

Now I have serious question for you, little off-the-meds fellar?

How much extra are jimmies?

Dipstick.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:29 PM, April 24, 2008

Shumlin's little hissy fit has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

"So, what you're saying is that you're ignorant trash without a case or a clue."

"No, jerkwad, what the poster said pretty much indicated you were.

Now I have serious question for you, little off-the-meds fellar?

How much extra are jimmies?

Dipstick."

Gee, thanks for the ignorant trash perspective, little factually-challenged fella, but the next thing you and "the poster" say will be the first.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 7:38 PM, April 24, 2008

Ya didn't answer the question, jwpoop...how much extra are jimmies?

Two bupkises(is it bupkisi)?
A bupkis and a "dismissed"?

Think about, next time you're elbow deep in hard-packed cookie dough, scraping for the second scoop, coop.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 8:00 PM, April 24, 2008

"Ya didn't answer the question, jwpoop...how much extra are jimmies?"

In other words, you're ignorant trash with bupkis and nary a case or a clue.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 8:26 PM, April 24, 2008

Is Martha Abbott running against
Deb Markowitz?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 1:36 AM, April 25, 2008

"Now I have serious question for you, little off-the-meds fellar?

How much extra are jimmies?

Dipstick."

If you don't call him dipstick and use the double secret password 'bupkis' he will give them to you for free.

Just don't let the manager know.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:40 AM, April 25, 2008

Think about, next time you're elbow deep in hard-packed cookie dough, scraping for the second scoop, coop.

You may have stumbled across Coopy's next screen name (since he believes strongly in screen names) once he is banned from the blog for his consistent violation of its terms of use....ScooperCooper.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:44 AM, April 25, 2008

SuperDooperPooperScooperCooper

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:10 AM, April 25, 2008

So much ignorant, anonymous slime, so little evidence and time.

Another day, another nameless-nitwit scumfest and

Gee, what are the odds.

Every time I call you coalition of the clueless cretins on your factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest delusional dreck and your consistent failure to produce any and all evidence to substantiate your ignorant slop, you make with the scoop shop slop, so I'm sure I'll continue to hear non-stop scoop shop slop 24/7.

After all, it's not like ya got anything else to say.

Lunatic-fringe calls for Shumlin's impeachment and claims that Symington is ugly is evidently your idea of serious political discourse.

This from unemployed, anonymous nitwits claiming to be financial/fiscal experts while spewing Anti-Semitic, bigoted-trash slop with no basis in fact from the safety of their Mom's basement.

You're ignorant trash with bupkis, schmucks.

Get a legitimate argument and the evidence to back it up or get stuffed.

Let me know if I'm goin' too fast for your ignorant, anonymous asses, little fella.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 8:12 AM, April 25, 2008

I am still in search of the first fact that Coopy has presented to this blog.

Again, because it is apparently a difficult concept, insults are not facts. Gutter talk is not fact. Cutting and pasting the same trite comments, no matter how often you do it, will not make them fact.

You are a pompous moron Coop with an overly inflated sense of self importance and little apparent redeeming value. The quality and civility of this board craters everytime you appear. Do us all a favor and spend more time hanging with your intellectual equals (and I will let you decide what that may actually be) on the GMD, the Daily Kos or Huffington Post.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 8:29 AM, April 25, 2008

Yawn.....

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 8:59 AM, April 25, 2008

Stand clear. In just 30 minutes Coopy has already lobbed 2 Bupkis's and 2 Dismissed's.

His performance is clearly peaking. He is a lean, mean trash talking machine. At this rate, he is on pace to break his own personal best for the most times using the word 'Bupkis'. And to think he set it just yesterday.

Go Coopy! Go!

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 9:06 AM, April 25, 2008

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

"I am still in search of the first fact that Coopy has presented to this blog."

Your time would be better spent lookin' for some evidence to back up your ignorant slop and learning how to distinguish your ignorant ass from your elbow, schmuck.

"Again, because it is apparently a difficult concept, insults are not facts. Gutter talk is not fact. Cutting and pasting the same trite comments, no matter how often you do it, will not make them fact."

No, it won't, but, evidently, that's all you and your coalition of the clueless compatriots are capable of because you've been doin' little else since your ignorant asses got here, little factually-challenged fella.

"You are a pompous moron Coop with an overly inflated sense of self importance and little apparent redeeming value."

You're ignorant trash with bupkis, schmuck. Ya tend to go down hill rapidly from there.

"The quality and civility of this board craters everytime you appear."

Quality and civility, eh? That's a good one, little factually challenged fella.

Scoop-shop slop, calling Symington ugly and making anti-Semitic remarks about Shumlin while calling for his impeachment simply because he won't rubber-stamp doogie the dim's nonsense are your idea of quality, civil discussion, eh?

You're ignorant trash with bupkis, little factually-challenged fella. So is the rest of nameless-nitwit nation.

Nary a one of your nameless nitwits have made a legitimate point or produced the evidence to back it up since ya got here, schmuck.

If quality and civility were ever here, it left town long before I got here.

"Do us all a favor and spend more time hanging with your intellectual equals (and I will let you decide what that may actually be) on the GMD, the Daily Kos or Huffington Post."

Not a chance, chump. I like holdin' the magnifying glass on nameless-nitwit ants too much and the weather's gettin' better and the days are gettin' longer and sunnier all the time, so get yourself a legitimate point and the evidence to substantiate it or get used to it.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 5:40 PM, April 25, 2008

We laugh at your sense of personal self-importance and you don't begin to get it.

Moron.

You have been quite busy positn since 5PM. Did you just get out of detention?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 5:59 PM, April 25, 2008

Coopy says: ... calling Symington ugly and making anti-Semitic remarks about Shumlin"

I don't recall any anti-semetic remarks about Shumlin and in fact didn't know he was Jewish as if it matters.

I do find it hypocritical however that you of all people would take this board to task about posting insulting comments you being the King of Trash Talk and all.

Would you like to take this opportunity to apologize to all those you have offended and ask all parties to join with you in a new era of civil conversation on this blog? A real man would extend his hand in friendship.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:07 PM, April 25, 2008

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

Coopy says: ... calling Symington ugly and making anti-Semitic remarks about Shumlin"

Iggy slop claims:

"I don't recall any anti-semetic remarks about Shumlin and in fact didn't know he was Jewish as if it matters."

You don't, eh? Either did Eichmann. The Court didn't believe him, either.

First of all, schmuck, your ignorant, anonymous, anti-Semitic ass wouldn't appear so, well, ignorant and anti-Semitic if you could spell the word, schmuck.

Allow me to refresh your memory, little fella.

10:02 PM, April 23, 2008

10:50 PM, April 23, 2008

So, you gonna give me the "that was that the other ignorant, anonymous, anti-Semitic schmuck," song and dance or tell me you were just followin' orders, little fella?

Either way, the nameless-nitwit nuremberg defense ain't workin' here any better than it did the first time around, schmuck.

Nice try.

"I do find it hypocritical however that you of all people would take this board to task about posting insulting comments you being the King of Trash Talk and all."

Well, you bein' ignorant trash with bupkis and all, while humorous, that's not exactly a surprise, little fella.

"Would you like to take this opportunity to apologize to all those you have offended and ask all parties to join with you in a new era of civil conversation on this blog? A real man would extend his hand in friendship."

Ya mean like you're doin' now, little fella?

Again, nice try.

Clearly, that characterization doesn't apply to your ignorant, anonymous ass, little fella, but if you know anyone fitting that description and they feel the need to apologize and atone for something, send 'em my way, schmuck. I'll hear them out and take it from there.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 10:32 PM, April 25, 2008

yawn....rantings of a moron

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 6:41 AM, April 26, 2008

Coopy introduces a new phrase to the board...'Scoop-shop slop'.

Scoop-shop.... I like it when you use shop talk. I get it... Scoop-shop is ice cream store. Cool. So what other neat words do you counter boys use?

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:44 AM, April 26, 2008

"Nary a one of your nameless nitwits have made a legitimate point or produced the evidence to back it up since ya got here, schmuck. "

Clearly you stand at the head of this line. Point to a fact you have offered and again, insults are not facts no matter how often you repeat them.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 7:47 AM, April 26, 2008

Anonymous said...
"Nary a one of your nameless nitwits have made a legitimate point or produced the evidence to back it up since ya got here, schmuck. "

"...Point to a fact you have offered and again, insults are not facts no matter how often you repeat them."

Once again, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/slow on the uptake fella, my claim that you have not made a legitimate point or provided the evidence to back it up since you got here is a statement of fact and unless and until you manage to meet that burden, it will remain so.

As for insults, you're ignorant trash with bupkis because you keep proving that your ignorant trash with bupkis, little fella.

Either get yourself a legitimate case and the evidence to substantiate it or get used to it.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 11:22 AM, April 26, 2008

Martha Abbott???????????????????

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 4:11 PM, April 26, 2008

JW's favorite "scoop shop dirty talk" phrase is
" can I dip your cone for you sir....please say yes please say yes

Ben and Ferries ice cream employee of the year JW

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 12:20 PM, April 27, 2008

yeah... uh, back to the topic at hand... That being the reason our state can't afford anything. Being lack of good paying jobs.... When I graduated from Vermont Tech in 2000 80% of the 2 year Electrical Engineering Techs went to IBM. Since then 50% of them no longer work there. Instead, New York opened their arms to IBM, gave them tax credits and encouraged them to build new facilities. Fishkill, NY now has an enormous 300mm line and Essex got bunk. Now our Brilliant State Legislature has decided to resort to name calling... terrific. Lets just tell the high-school and college kids in the state that we don't want them to stay here...

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 10:58 AM, May 01, 2008

exactly and well said.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 11:25 AM, May 01, 2008

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Wheels on the bus":

yeah... uh, back to the topic at hand... That being the reason our state can't afford anything. Being lack of good paying jobs.... When I graduated from Vermont Tech in 2000 80% of the 2 year Electrical Engineering Techs went to IBM. Since then 50% of them no longer work there. Instead, New York opened their arms to IBM, gave them tax credits and encouraged them to build new facilities. Fishkill, NY now has an enormous 300mm line and Essex got bunk. Now our Brilliant State Legislature has decided to resort to name calling... terrific. Lets just tell the high-school and college kids in the state that we don't want them to stay here... "

Remind me again, little factually-challenged fella, who controlled the Vermont Legislature in 2000, who's been Governor since '03 and just what specific policies either former Governor Howard Dean or the Dem Legislature have prevented the Doogie/Dubie Debacle and the Gops from enacting that are responsible for IBM's choice to move much of their operations to Fishkill and just how New York "opened their arms to IBM.

Take your time. Like your factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/delusional-dreck "argument", your ignorant, anonymous ass ain't goin' anywhere.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed

# Posted by:

JWCoop10 | 11:28 AM, May 01, 2008

Wasn't it a dimocrat that called the IBM official a "liar"? Perhaps our resident Shumlin boot-licker can explain how whoever controlled the legislature in 2000 or who has been gov since 2003 has anything to do with what Shumlin said.

I thought so.

Never a pleasure.

Begone.

# Posted by:

Anonymous | 12:07 PM, May 01, 2008