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7.22.2008

 

Progressing?

So the Progs biggest fish decided to swim in a different pond. What, folks, does this mean to the Progressive Party?

Martha Abbott sat there and said she's on board with what Anthony Pollina is doing. So were Reps. David Zuckerman and Sandy Haas.

Should they be?

- Terri Hallenbeck

Comments:
Here's Colby's take at "Broadsides.org":

The mood of the day in the Vermont media and blogosphere was one of shock, shock, shock over the announcement that the Progressive Party’s leader and co-founder, Anthony Pollina, decided to ditch his own political party and, instead, run as an independent for the position of Vermont’s governor. But none of us should have been shocked, especially if we’ve been following the whiplash-like switchbacks and flip-flops of Pollina’s rather miserable political career. If there’s anything Pollina does better than losing elections (o-for-whatever since the 1980s), it’s waffling, meandering and otherwise just floundering in the shallow end of his ideological pool.

Instead of being shocked, we all should have felt a little sheepish about watching the latest political wreckage of the latest Pollina campaign. I know, I know, you don’t really want to look at the wreck but you just can’t help it – especially with the Vermont media covering it as if it somehow matters.

Pollina’s bizarre yet predictable dissing of the political party he had only moments before anointed as “the answer” to Vermont’s political troubles is what we can only hope will be one of his last political acts. It reeks of desperation. You know, kind of like one of those “hey, look at me” antics of the ornery child in the corner – anything for just one more moment of attention.

If Pollina were to pull these kinds of stunts in most any other political climate besides the sleepy and incestuous political climes of Vermont, he would have been relegated to the laughing stockpile many elections cycles ago. Instead, in the comfy cocoon of the Vermont media and political elite, Pollina has been able to keep his name in play despite mountains of desperation, piles of losses, and a mere small valley of supporters. Hey, it sure beats Jersey, huh Tony?

For me, the worst part of the these all-too-frequent Pollina flip-flops is his apparent disregard and even disdain for his followers (few as they may be at this point) – all while parading in a charade of “caring for the little guys and gals.” Pollina, for example, is known for getting up on his high-horse and spewing his mostly borrowed rhetoric for causes such as campaign finance reform, fighting for farmers and building alternative political parties (yes, he said “parties”). But when it gets hot in Pollina’s political kitchen, he more often than not runs for the back door, leaving his guests with little but his stale rhetoric to pick over as they realize their “leader” has left the building.

Remember, Pollina loved campaign finance reform when he was rolling in $300,000 of the state’s money but suddenly found it objectionable when it didn’t fit his latest political goals. Similarly, Pollina loved to rail against the big, bad corporate dairies that were ripping off small farmers until, that is, he started his own dairy corporation and began ripping off small farmers. And now Pollina wants us to somehow ignore nearly a decade of his rhetoric about the essential importance of building his Progressive Party.

Pollina’s political career could be summarized as one, big “nevermind.” Emily Litela’s got nothing on Tony.

The most laughable spin of Pollina’s latest “nevermind” moment is his campaign’s assertion that his sudden adoption of the “independent” label will somehow amount to his reincarnation as what must be the immaculate conception of Bernie Sanders’ political son. Give me a break. Sure, in the shallowest of shallow interpretations, Pollina running as an “independent” is similar to Bernie’s many, many runs as an “independent.” But, other than the use of word “independent,” the similarities stop there.

First of all, Bernie won elections. And, more importantly, Bernie won LOCAL elections and built a formidable movement based on his political consistency (“people are suffering…”) and local election victories to vault him to where he is now.

Sorry, Tony, but you would have never seen Bernie Sanders touting a silly “credit card” as even the most remotest of “solutions” to Vermont’s economic woes. Earth to Tony: When the state wants a “certain percentage” of our purchases, we call that a “tax.” And, currently, the state is getting 6% off of every purchase. Besides, there is absolutely nothing “progressive” about promoting “credit” (read: debt) as a solution to our state’s economic woes. But I’ll bet those Republicans that the Pollina campaign claims to be targeting will love the idea of debt. Bush does.

While Pollina is aiming for the Sanders’ mantle, it would be more accurate to equate him with the Democratic fink known as Joe Lieberman. Yeah, you know, the guy who loved the Democratic Party’s warm glow when he was its vice-presidential candidate or getting its institutional support when fending off the liberal Ned Lamont, but just as quickly turning his back on it when he thought it would be best for him, and him alone.

The ugly truth in this latest Pollina “nevermind” is that he lied to his supporters and to the people of Vermont. He baited us with a decade of rhetoric about the importance of his “third party” and then switched when he thought it was best for him, and him alone. Worse, Pollina invoked the rhetoric of being against “party in-fighting” while, at the same time, managing to diss all parties – including his own. Go figure. Or, rather, nevermind.

Last Sunday, Pollina sat and watched as Peter Diamondstone of the state’s other major party, Liberty Union, got handcuffed and arrested for trying to participate in the first debate of gubernatorial candidates. Pollina said nothing. He refused to defend him. Instead, Pollina sat silently on his hands as he watched Diamondstone be forcefully removed and arrested for trying to bring his views forward, all the while knowing that the next morning he would be abandoning his own “major” party.

That, my friends, should tell us a lot about Anthony Pollina’s character. Please, oh please, let this be Pollina’s last campaign.

Don’t worry, Tony, we’ll remember you with your own favorite word: Nevermind.
 
Sat where?
 
Pollina spends a lot of time worrying about which party people belong to. It's a waste.

Vermonters don't care which party you belong to. They want to know what your ideas are.

Tony, spend less time on switching parties and more time talking about issues.
 
"Progressive Party" is a misnomer.

It's more of a CULT than a PARTY.
 
"Tony, spend less time on switching parties and more time talking about issues."

Whoever said that must be deaf-because Anthony Pollina talks about issues all the time. I don't know where you have been... Maybe Anthony Pollina has to speak out with events like this because you all know-it-alls have already determined he is not not qualified and refuse to listen. I suggest you start listening because Pollina is the only one of the candidates talking about real issues and solutions. Douglas and Symington are still playing their rhetorical pattycake, by blaming each other.
 
Bernie & Tony as Independents'-what's next Obama the Conservative?
 
There's nothing inherently wrong with Pollina running as an independent and the Progs should have no problem with it. Bernie broke that barrier long ago when he ran as an Independent.

That said, if Pollina is genuinely interested in ending the doogie/dubie debacle and its policies and wants to broaden his base of support, he should have run as a Dem and taken his chances in a primary. He chose not to go that route.

Pollina ain't Bernie. Bernie is sui generis. The sooner Pollina realizes that, the better off he and Vermont will be.

To date, Pollina's singular contribution to Vermont politics is allowing brian dubie to infect the Vermont bloodstream and if he remains in the race, he'll be responsible for saddling Vermont with two more years of doogie/dubie incompetence and indifference.

If he wants that to be his legacy, I'm sure Vermont gops will be every bit as appreciative of his efforts as gop-scum from coast to coast are appreciative of Lieberman's.

Given the way he took a dive in his VP Debate with Cheney eight years ago and the reality that they never could never have stolen Florida without him and Nader no matter what little jebbie and katharine harris did, he's been every gops favorite Dem ever since and rightfully so.
 
Sorry, but another credit card is not a "real issue."
 
NEK said...

"Bernie & Tony as Independents'-what's next Obama the Conservative?"

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant, ill-informed ass has still got bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up, nekkie boy.

How many times did Bernie run for his election and reelection to Congress as an Independent while thumping every gop-scum slimeball along the way?

Did he or did he not thump richie rich while being elected to replace Jim Jeffords in the US Senate as the Junior Senator from the State of Vermont, nekkie boy?

That's what I thought.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 
Anonymous said...

"Progressive Party" is a misnomer.
It's more of a CULT than a PARTY."

No, that would be the Tunbridge taliban, take back Vermont trash.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 
Donner had a party. Pollina has a cult.
 
Don't worry about Tony. He'll come in third place again and run for congress in 4 years.

Which party or cult he belongs to won't matter a wit.
 
We've already seen Obama the conservative.
 
Remember the FISA vote?
 
Guess you're going to have to vote for Nader.
 
Symington should be a sure thing now.
 
Tony has been smoking too much pot again. This move won't help at all, as Colby points out in Broadsides.

But since he can live off his wife's trust fund forever, I am afraid this will not be the last we see of Mr. P.
 
"Tony has been smoking too much pot again. This move won't help at all, as Colby points out in Broadsides.

But since he can live off his wife's trust fund forever, I am afraid this will not be the last we see of Mr. P."

Are you referring to Pollina or Colby? Where would either one be without their wives money?
 
He switched because he didn't have enough signatures to file! Ten percent max in November.
 
Pollina knows what he is doing. Give the guy some credit.
 
Is anyone left in the Prog party? They seem to be dropping like flies. Who's next?
 
gaye symington a lock? o please what success did she have in the house? shes nothing better than douglas. that least with him you know what your getting someone whos done the job and knows how to keep the ship afloat.
 
We call him "Third Place Tony".

Vermonters have rejected him over and over again. This time won't be any different.

The man is a lost cause.
 
Anonymous said...

that least with him you know what your getting someone whos done the job and knows how to keep the ship afloat.

He does, eh? Adult Basic Ed.- look into it.
 
Symington has been an entirely ineffective leader in Montpelier.

While some prefer to rationalize her failures as the fault of Douglas for vetoing legislation, she is not a victim. She was selected and accepted the role as a leader….someone given the responsibility of being capable of working effectively with ALL members of the legislature to find consensus and move forward legislation targeted to address the issues of the State. Doing so, she failed miserably.

If J.D.'s vetoes were so egregious, I suspect they would have been overridden.

Captain America
 
Why won't Pollina admit he had failed to collect the needed 500 signatures to get on the Progressive Party ballot? That's why he's now running as an independent---a big OOPS!
 
so let me get this straight:

In one breath you say he'll only get 10% (about 20,000 votes minimum)

Then you say he couldn't get 500 signatures.

How does any one logically work that math out.

20,000 votes in November but not 500 signatures in July?

Please stop pretending to be big time political types and leave the spin up to the professionals. You all just sound stupid!
 
It's been Douglas who has been ineffective. He's proposed more spending each year than Dean ever did. He raises fees (taxes). And Vermonters get less in return. Our roads are crumbling. We are borrowing more money. We have less to show for it.

He hasn't proposed any new ideas ... just recycled the old crap that never works.

He's just in the way.
 
and Symington has a plan? what is it please?
 
Read a newspaper. Read her website. Try reading anything. Educate yourself. You might not like her agenda, but you can't accuse her of not having one.

Douglas, on the other hand, has no plan for anything ... except ribbon cutting and stumping for re-election.
 
you have to be kidding me...symington a plan? listening to her speak is bad enough but the fact that she just likes to generalize every problem is annoying. is she was governor, we would have serious problems. if she couldn't do well as speaker, how would she do as governor? AWFUL
 
exactly!
 
Good point anonymous; If Pollina couldn't scrape up the 500 signatures he needed to run as a Progressive, how on earth will he be able to get anywhere near ten percent of the vote? Even Diamondstone made it on the ballot already. Side bets on Diamondstone versus Pollina?
 
Anon 1:56…..Thanks I went to Gaye’s website and again I will ask you the same question. What is her plan? Did you really read this?

The highlights from her issues page are:
(1) As Governor, I will develop a plan for the state so that we can achieve the goal of increasing the amount of clean, renewable electricity available to Vermonters.
(2) I will work to redefine health care so that we focus on keeping people healthy instead of just treating them when they are sick.
(3) I will take pride in Vermont as a great place to do business
(4) We need to create a strong partnership between higher education and our business sector so that we are training workers for the right kinds of jobs.

The theme is consistent…Hear my buzz words, elect me and I will develop a plan for all the issues. She really needs to get a clue. There is nothing visionary or showing signs of critical thought. It looks like she wrote this over Saturday afternoon tea.

Running for Governor she should have a plan now that she can clearly articulate. What is her vision for energy, health care, and jobs. What will she do exactly? How quickly can she implement it? What will it cost and how will she pay for it in a State that is tapped out already with taxes?

If she presented this platform at her Williams alma mater in a Poly Sci class she would get an F. If she presented this as a business plan at her Ivy League Grad School, she would be tossed out of class. This is pitiful (maybe arrogant to think we are this naive) for someone who wants our trust and wants to spend our tax dollars.

I am glad I read her web page. It shows her for the empty suit she is.
 
Symington really is, in the words of the Sex Pistols, "pretty vacant." You get the impression she's kind of making it up as she goes along. Her campaign needs an injection of individuals over the age of 25.
 
Anonymous said...

"Symington has been an entirely ineffective leader in Montpelier."

Only if they're ignorant, anonymous trash with bupkis who thinks her job was to rubber-stamp doogies's delusional dreck and get 93 Dems to bow to the will of doogie, the 49 gop-scum minority in the House and the 7 out of 30 gop-scum minority in the Senate.

Of course, you'd have to be ignorant trash with bupkis to support doogie's incompetent ass.

"While some prefer to rationalize her failures as the fault of Douglas for vetoing legislation, she is not a victim."

No, she's not. Vermont, on the other hand, is a victim of the incompetent doogie/dubie debacle and the gop-scum minority in the legislature. Clearly, they care more about themselves than the State of Vermont.


That said, is it your clueless-cretin contention that 49 is more than 93 and 7 is more than 23 and the 93 should bow to the will of the 49 and the 23 should bow to the will of the 7?

That's what I thought.

I'm sure you'll do well in the gop-swine party.

"She was selected and accepted the role as a leader….someone given the responsibility of being capable of working effectively with ALL members of the legislature to find consensus and move forward legislation targeted to address the issues of the State. Doing so, she failed miserably."

She did, eh? How is it her fault that 93 is not 100 and the 49 gop-scum nitwits in the House care more about Doogie than Vermont?

What's more, how is doogie's failure to negotiate in good faith and the gop-scum legislative minority's willingness to hold the Legislative Majority and the State of Vermont hostage constitute leadership in the estimation of your ignorant anonymous ass, little fella?

"If J.D.'s vetoes were so egregious, I suspect they would have been overridden."

Well, if 93 was 100 the 49 gop swine in the House cared as much about Vermont as they care about Doogie and their own asses, I suspect you're right.

Unfortunately, cap'n clueless, such is not the case with Vermont's gop-swine Governor and gop-slime legislative minority and that leaves you still dumb, still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass still has bupkis.

Then again, those facts were never in dispute and those suspicions were put to rest a long time ago.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 
Anonymous said...

"Symington really is, in the words of the Sex Pistols, "pretty vacant."

And a glimpse into the mind of doogie leaves you, in the words of Tom Petty, "Free fallin' into the Great Wide Open. A reptile without a clue."
 
Anonymous said...

"you have to be kidding me...symington a plan? listening to her speak is bad enough but the fact that she just likes to generalize every problem is annoying. is she was governor, we would have serious problems. if she couldn't do well as speaker, how would she do as governor? AWFUL"

In other words, you're dumb, you're scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has got bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 
The following is a list of the qualities that typify demagoguery. You may recognize many of these as the common elements of a JWCOOP10 post….

Polarization. A demagogue breaks everything into two camps: the one s/he represents (what people call the in-group), and evil (the out-group). If you are not on their side--with all your heart and soul, in all ways and without hesitation--then you are against them.

A rhetoric of hate. A demagogue tries to promote and justify hatred of the "out-group." The demagogue assumes or argues for hating members of that group, as well as anyone who defends that group (or who even criticizes hating them).

Slipperiness on crucial terms; god and devil terms. Demagogues rely heavily on certain terms that are conventionally accepted and not very clearly defined. Because they're used so often, and so rhetorically powerful, these terms can seem clear to an audience as long as the audience doesn't stop to think exactly what the words mean. (e.g., terrorist, racism, liberal, fascist, communist).

Demonizing, dehumanizing, and/or scapegoating the out-group. It is a scare tactic that helps polarize the situation. If one can persuade one's audience that the out-group is evil, then even listening to that group is exposing one's self to the wiles of evil.

Motivism. Motivism is the assertion that people don't really have reasons for what they do, but they are motivated by something else--a lust for power or greed, for instance.

Denial of responsibility for situation (except lack of vigilance). When a demagogue is talking about a disastrous situation in which we stand, he does not accept any responsibility except for perhaps not being vigilant enough.

Refusal to redeem claims. A basic premise of civil discourse is that the parties will "redeem" any claims that someone else questions. That is, if two or more people are talking, and anyone challenges the assertion of another, that person will try to justify the assertion with additional evidence. The demagogue will reject virtually all forms of evidence as inadequate.


JWCOOP10, you have learned your lessons well.
 
here, here!
 
How many years has Douglas been governor? What's he done? No circ highway, as promised. No new jobs, as promised. More in debt than ever before. More spending than ever before. Crime is up. Drug use is up.

He talks and talks ... but he has a very thin record.
 
Ask yourself, where has Symington been in relation to all these issues. She was in the legislature when all this transpired. No CIRC has been an issue blocked by the state's myriad of environmental impact laws. No jobs has been discussed ad nausem....taxes, cost of living, remoteness from major business centers, no universities, little public support for state incentives... Symington hasn't been a force in doing anything to change this to date. Debt....the Dems want to provide more services with no plan to finance them. Drug use.... isn't that a matter more directly tied to the deterioration of the family than the lack of law? The State can't be a baby sitter and nanny in lieu of the family. When drug users are caught, they are routed to some rehab program rather than prison becasue that is what 'we' want. If there is no real consequence for drug use, why do you think people will avoid it?
 
"CIRC has been an issue blocked by the state's myriad of environmental impact laws"

Nope. It was blocked by FEDERAL Law. Try to keep up, Sport.

Douglas likes to pass the buck, but he hasn't gotten anything done.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Progressing?":

"The following is a list of the qualities that typify demagoguery. You may recognize many of these as the common elements of a JWCOOP10 post…."

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum, your ignorant anonymous ass is still long on bupkis and short on factual foundation and evidence in support of your delusional dreck, so, as is your custom, you're gonna try to change the subject and hope nobody notices.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little factually-challenged/nameless-nitwit fella.

I noticed. Ya got bupkis, bozo. Ya always do.

"Polarization. A demagogue breaks everything into two camps: the one s/he represents (what people call the in-group), and evil (the out-group). If you are not on their side--with all your heart and soul, in all ways and without hesitation--then you are against them."

Ya mean like when your ignorant anonymous ass attempts to blame Symington for the failures of the executive branch and your claims that she fails to demonstrate leadership because she confers with her Senate counterpart and refuses to bow to the will of the minority and rubber-stamp whatever delusional dreck doogie doles out to her irrespective of its merits or lack thereof and the facts, little factually-challenged fella?

"A rhetoric of hate. A demagogue tries to promote and justify hatred of the "out-group." The demagogue assumes or argues for hating members of that group, as well as anyone who defends that group (or who even criticizes hating them)."

And how would the gop-scum in the Pavilion for the past six years be the out group, little factually-challenged fella?

"Slipperiness on crucial terms; god and devil terms. Demagogues rely heavily on certain terms that are conventionally accepted and not very clearly defined. Because they're used so often, and so rhetorically powerful, these terms can seem clear to an audience as long as the audience doesn't stop to think exactly what the words mean. (e.g., terrorist, racism, liberal, fascist, communist)."

Ya mean like the ignorant anonymous nitwit with bupkis who when pressed to defend the doogie/dubie debacle's six-year record of failure, non-achievement and endless orgy of buck-passing attempted to shift the focus, change the subject and pass the buck by responding with the following non sequitur because they either couldn't answer the question, wouldn't answer the question or both:

"Anonymous said...
Ask yourself, where has Symington been in relation to all these issues. She was in the legislature when all this transpired. No CIRC has been an issue blocked by the state's myriad of environmental impact laws. No jobs has been discussed ad nausem....taxes, cost of living, remoteness from major business centers, no universities, little public support for state incentives... Symington hasn't been a force in doing anything to change this to date...."

Ah, so the doogie/dubie record of failure, non-achievement and incompetence is Symington's fault because, as a Democratic member and leader of the legislative branch who refuses to act as a mindless rubber-stamp for an incompetent gop-trash Governor and gop-slime legislative minority who veto legislation supported by the majority of Vermonters and refuse to act or bargain in good faith despite the fact that the failures are the result of the executive branch failing to hold up their end of the bargain and carry out the tasks and responsibilities that are the tasks and responsibilities of the executive branch.

Nice try, nitwit. No sale.

"Debt....the Dems want to provide more services with no plan to finance them."

Ah, so even though the incompetent, illegitimate-trash administration currently squatting in the WH controlled all three branches of the federal government of the US from 1/01 - 1/07, racked up the largest federal deficit in US History along with more federal debt than his 43 predecessors combined who, with the help of a cluelessly-corrupt gop-scum rubber-stamp Congress and a gop-scum dominated 5-4 Supreme Court with seven of the nine Justices being gop-scum appointees who installed his incompetent, illegitimate, sorry, brain-dead bushleague butt on the throne in the first place despite his theft of Florida's 27 electoral votes with the help of his little brother jebbie and his Campaign Chairman, Katharine Harris who just happened to be the Governor of Florida and his Secretary of State and their control of the election and the recount, managed to squander the largest federal budget surplus in US History which his predecessor, Bill Clinton had left him with after erasing the previous brain-dead, bushleague largest federal deficit reagan and his father had left him with despite the best efforts of a thoroughly-corrupt and incompetent gop-scum Congress to prevent him from doing so, little fella?

That's what I thought.

"Drug use.... isn't that a matter more directly tied to the deterioration of the family than the lack of law?"

Ah, so in addition to the executive branch's failure to enact and enforce current law and the patently obvious failure of their policies to deal with illegal drug trafficking along with any and all substance abuse related criminal activity, it's not doogie's fault but the legislature's irrespective of the fact that the problem stems from the failure of the executive branch to competently and adequately discharge the duties they're charged with, eh, little fella?

Is Corrections now the responsibility of individual Vermonters and no longer under the jurisdiction of the Department of Corrections and the executive branch now, too, little factually-challenged fella?

Just what is doogie's responsibility, little fella?

Moreover, I hadn't realized that I hadn't realized that any and all drug addiction, substance abuse and related criminal activity is the result of the breakdown of the family and no addicts and/or substance abusers are the product of stable, traditional families, eh, and the responsibility to enact and enforce current law is the not the responsibility of the executive branch but the responsibility of the family, Dems in the Legislature no matter what the Vermont Constitution and Vermont Statute says.

Has it always been like this, little factually-challenged fella, or is executive branch exemption from the constitutionally-mandated duties of the executive branch strictly a jimi douglas experience thing?

That's what I thought.

What's more, I wasn't aware that the nitwit in chief, rush limbaugh, taliban ted haggard and an assortment of gop-slime Congressman, closeted gays, child molesters and corporate criminals currently serving time for assorted felonies and misdemeanors who've alleged substance abuse as a mitigating factor for their criminal behavior when brought before the bench were all the product of unstable families, little fella, or is the cornerstone of your argument strictly a Vermont thing, too?

"The State can't be a baby sitter and nanny in lieu of the family. When drug users are caught, they are routed to some rehab program rather than prison becasue that is what 'we' want. If there is no real consequence for drug use, why do you think people will avoid it?"

Ah, so there are no drunks and drug addicts currently serving time on drug charges and/or substance abuse related charges in the State of Vermont, eh, little factually-challenged fella?

Is that true in every state and the federal prison system or is that strictly another Vermont thing, too?

That's what I thought.

Either way, I'm sure you'll be happy to produce any and all evidence in support of your illuminating allegations, little fella.

That's what I thought.

"Demonizing, dehumanizing, and/or scapegoating the out-group. It is a scare tactic that helps polarize the situation. If one can persuade one's audience that the out-group is evil, then even listening to that group is exposing one's self to the wiles of evil."

And just how are the doogie/dubie debacle members of the "out group" when they've been in power for the better part of six years while they've been running the State of Vermont into the ground, little fella?

That's what I thought.

"Denial of responsibility for situation (except lack of vigilance). When a demagogue is talking about a disastrous situation in which we stand, he does not accept any responsibility except for perhaps not being vigilant enough."

Ya mean like doogie and his ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis supporter's never-ending attempts to blame Symington, Shumlin and the Dem Legislature for executive branch failures like the recommendation to grant early release from supervised probation to Jacques in the Brooke Bennett Case, little factually-challenged fella?

Weren't you just muttering something about personal responsibility while your ignorant anonymous ass was claimin' that doogie and his executive branch are not responsible for enacting and enforcing current law irrespective of whatever the Vermont Constitution and Vermont Statute have to say on the matter, little fella?

That's what I thought.

"Refusal to redeem claims. A basic premise of civil discourse is that the parties will "redeem" any claims that someone else questions. That is, if two or more people are talking, and anyone challenges the assertion of another, that person will try to justify the assertion with additional evidence. The demagogue will reject virtually all forms of evidence as inadequate."

Really? And just what evidence have you provided that I've rejected as inadequate, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/nameless-nitwit fella?

That's what I thought.

That said, if you ever manage to produce any legitimate factual basis and/or evidence in support of your delusional dreck I'll be happy to give it a glance, little fella.

However, unless and until your ignorant anonymous ass can manage to cough something up that bears something even remotely resembling actual factual foundation and/or evidence in support of your psychotic slop, little fella, questions relating to your latest load of asinine allegations remain confined to the realm of the purely hypothetical with the rest of your delusional dreck.

"JWCOOP10, you have learned your lessons well."

Yeah, I've seen your ignorant anonymous ass's act before, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/nameless-nitwit fella.

Such as it is. Don't quit your day job.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 
"Nope. It was blocked by FEDERAL Law. Try to keep up, Sport."

Oops. It was a Federal law not a state law. My bad but the point remains the same. It was blocked by something outside Douglas' control.

Let me ask you...what did Symington do to get it done? The answer is nothing but now if elected she wants to develop a plan to address infrastructure as a way to create jobs. I would expect her to have a plan now on which she is campaigning, not the promise to develop a plan that we are unable to express our opinion on once she is elected. How that Sport?
 
JW, you sweet talking demagogue, you.
 
"Why won't Pollina admit he had failed to collect the needed 500 signatures to get on the Progressive Party ballot? That's why he's now running as an independent---a big OOPS!"

www.democratsforpollina.com

there's 450 there. I'm sure they signed his petition.
 
Go Anthony - do it differently!
 
Anonymous said...
"Nope. It was blocked by FEDERAL Law. Try to keep up, Sport.""

"Oops. It was a Federal law not a state law. My bad but the point remains the same. It was blocked by something outside Douglas' control."

Ah, so now that the other poster caught you error and your ignorant anonymous ass finally came clean and owned up to the fact that ya don't know what the hell you're talkin' about for which I commend your clueless-cretin butt, how is it Symington's fault that the CIRC was blocked by Federal Law, little factually-challenged/nameless-nitwit fella?

Is it your ignorant anonymous ass's clueless-cretin contention that Federal Law is not beyond Symington's control in her capacity as Speaker of the House?

That's what I thought.

You're dumb, you're scum and ya got bupkis, little fella. Ya always do.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 
Anonymous said...

"JW, you sweet talking demagogue, you."

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

Get back to me if the situation changes.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 
"It was blocked by something outside Douglas' control."

Ah, but Douglas promised that he could get it done. The only reason that it was held up was that he didn't do the proper environmental testing to get it done.

He said he could do it, but he couldn't.

He's ineffective.
 
Anonymous said...

"Ah, but Douglas promised that he could get it done. The only reason that it was held up was that he didn't do the proper environmental testing to get it done.

He said he could do it, but he couldn't.

He's ineffective."

Don't confuse the whacks with the facts.

Clearly, from their ignorant anonymous ass's perspective, it's Symington's fault that Federal Law blocked the CIRC. It's Symington's fault that Doogie has no control over Federal Law.

Moreover, if the section of the Middlesex Bridge which recently fell into the Winooski manages to complicate matters and cause or contribute to additional flooding concerns threatening folks in communities like Middlesex, Montpelier and Barre who were already bracing for for possible flooding, it will be Symington's fault.

Never mind the fact that a gop-scum Gov being blocked by representatives of this administration's interpretation of environmental law is tantamount to them being chastised for Anti-Semitic activities by Himmler's SS or being upbraided for Racist activities by some klan schmuck in a sheet, irrespective of the facts, whatever happens on Doogie's watch will be Symington's fault.

Well, unless it's Shumlin's fault.

It was Symington's fault that Doogie's Department of Corrections recommended early release from supervised probation just like it was Symington's fault that Judge Cashman suspended all but 60 days of Mark Hullett's sentence to make him eligible for the treatment he wasn't eligible for under the existing policies and practices of Doogie's Department of Corrections before amending his sentence to 3-10 years after Doogie's Department of Corrections was forced to amend, repeal and repair the defect in its policies and practices and bring about the positive change Cashman's actions were designed to force Doogie's Department of Corrections to repair and implement in the first place.

In retrospect, it was unfortunate that such actions were needed to force Doogie's Department of Corrections to make those changes but they don't do anything until it's too late when they immediately blame it on Symington, Shumlin, VPIRG, CLF, the Judiciary, the sclm or all of the above.

Unfortunate, but not uncommon.

It's the jimi douglas experience. Whatever they fail to do or don't fail to do, it's not their fault.

Reelect the jimi douglas experience - whatever happens or doesn't happen, it's not jimi's fault. Even if it is, it won't be.
 
Did they run out of prozac at the Home?
 
Anonymous said...

"Did they run out of prozac at the Home?"

Ask Cheswick for Christ sake, little fella. Your ignorant anonymous ass is sittin' right next to him.

Clearly, you haven't run outta brain-dead bupkis.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 
Oh Coopy.... you are so grumpy today. What happened to your old charming self?

Nurse Ratched
 
Coopy,
Will you be joining us for our boat ride tomorrow?

McMurphy, Martini and the Chief
 
Somebody refill jw's meds!
 
Anonymous...

"Somebody refill jw's meds!"

In other words, after 30 hours of research and reflection, you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis.

Given the fact that you made that abundantly clear the second your ignorant anonymous ass got here, little fella, clearly, your vitals not only show no signs of improvement, evidence of marked deterioration is dramatic, permanent and incontrovertible rendering no alternative diagnosis possible.

It's Schiavo Syndrome. It's irreversible. It's Advanced and it's terminal.

I'd like to tell ya to get your affairs in order and prepare to meet your maker but I can't. Like $1.50/gallon gas by Labor Day and Bush's chances of leaving office as anything but the worst President in US History or Doogie's chances of stumbling over a clue and demonstrating the ability to recognize it in the unlikely event it were to happen, that ship sailed a long time ago.

Of course, lack of brain activity never stopped doogie from blamin' everything on Symington. It shouldn't slow you down, either.

Try to stay positive, little fella and to keep your impending demise in perspective. Remember, the water in your glass may be undrinkable, little fella, but at least it's half full.

It's been fun. Best of luck in the next life.

Oh, I almost forgot. Blue Cross denied your claim.

Tough break, kiddo. This just ain't your life. Still, look on the bright side. At least you'll be spared the bloodbath in November. That's gonna hurt and Limbaugh's already cornered the Oxycontin market and he's hordin' it for all it's worth.
 
Get a life Coopy. There must be something better to do with your time at 11:58PM on a Friday night than post on the BFP blogs.

Pity the fool.
 
Anonymous said...

"Get a life Coopy. There must be something better to do with your time at 11:58PM on a Friday night than post on the BFP blogs."

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

Go cheney yourself, chump. Ya give me the same delusional dreck every time ya got bupkis. That's why your ignorant anonymous ass gives it to me all the time despite the fact that there's ignorant anonymous scum postin' after me last night and your ignorant anonymous trash waitin' for me this morning.

Then again, bein' ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis has never stopped ya from postin' your delusional dreck before, I'm sure your bein' ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis won't stop ya from postin' your delusional dreck in the future any more than it stopped ya this time.

Always a pleasure.
 
Get real...
 
hey jwcoop can you clarify something? what has gaye symington accomplished during her reign as leader of house democrats? i know a HUGE majority isn't enough, but really what has held her back from accomplishing anything productive?
 
Anonymous....

"hey jwcoop can you clarify something? what has gaye symington accomplished during her reign as leader of house democrats?"

Sure thing, little fella. The jimi douglas experience and his veto-proof gop-scum minority in the House.

"i know a HUGE majority isn't enough, but really what has held her back from accomplishing anything productive?"

The incompetent jimi douglas experience and his veto-proof gop-scum minority in the House.

It's as simple as that, little fella, and there's no gettin' around it.

Always a pleasure.
 
hmm i think you missed something..the democrats have been veto-proof for a number of years. how is it the gop who is holding them back? man missed todays meds did ya?
 
Anonymous said...

"hmm i think you missed something..the democrats have been veto-proof for a number of years."

They have, eh?

Hmm, and just when and where did 93become 100, little factually-channeled/nameless-nitwit fella?

As always, feel free to have your ignorant anonymous ass point out just where and when that took place. I for one am really lookin' forward to seein' ya document just when and where that happened, little fella.

That musta been fascist fairy tale day when the cow jumped over the moon, the dish ran away with the spoon and an "I" and a "P" became a "D".

Then again, it's always fascist fairy tale day wih the likes of your ignorant anonymous ass, little fella.

It's easy to file a flight plan that gets ya from Boston to Berlin on a hour or two's worth of jet fuel if ya don't take gravity into account, deduce bag. The lyin'-ass, gop-slime, lunatic-fringe likes of you do it all the time, little fella. At least, ya try to, anyhow.

Of course, bein' ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis and without a case or a clue, ya kinda have to. It's the only way ya can make it look even remotely like your ignorant anonymous asses know what day it is.

Unfortunately, ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis is not a legitimate point of view, little fella. Like you, it's just ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis.

"..how is it the gop who is holding them back?"

"When you take gravity into account, apply the facts to the account and make an honest assessment of the situation, little fella."

Reality is always the kiss of death for fascist fairy tales, little fella. One shot and your ignorant anonymous ass is on dream street. Of course, you're never far away from it in the first place. It's never much of a chore to track ya down.

"..man missed todays meds did ya?"

Yeah, clearly, they need to tweak your clueless-cretin cocktail, little fella. Oh, well, try to stay positive, little fella. I'm sure they'll get ya sorted out eventually.

Perhaps, with hard work, the grace of God and the right medication, you may even be able to distinguish 93 from 100, an I and a P from a D and your ignorant anonymous ass from your elbow some day.

Keep strokin', little fella.

Always a pleasure.
 
Polarization, demonization and refusal to accept any blame except for not being diligent enough.... 3 basic rules for any demogogue.

Well done Coopy. You have no credibility.
 
someone said thst JD is the reason drug use is up......??

I think the reason it is up is Goop's posts

If he quit posting it would go down 10%

If he moved back to New Yawwk Shitty it would go down 30% !!!!!!
 
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