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Nobody won?... I hope that you are kidding?

I came and was open to all candidates while standing in the front row. Though each reiterated past perspectives, it was clear that Pollina and Symington were stronger in their 'message', and in their histories, than Douglas. Douglas was meek, full of pablums and not engaging at all.

Maybe you were writing more than listening, or observing...
 

Terri, Was there any debate question regarding sex-offender laws or anything related to child safety in our state?
 

"I came and was open to all candidates..."

Who are you kidding? At least have the courage to be an honest bullshitter (if that makes any sense).

We all know that anyone who takes the time to sit through a rainstorm to hear a debate already has their mind made up!!!
 

isn't that the truth
 

It's true. I know more about what that guy thinks than he does.
 

There are people out there who have not made up their minds. I am one of them. And I am not enthusiastic about any of the candidates.

I probably prefer Symington and Pollina's positions on the environment; Douglas seems to want the see the state have more development, environment be damned.

But I am nervous about Pollina and Symington when it comes to the economy and taxes. We have a very liberal Legislature, so maybe we need a guy like Douglas to keep them from going crazy with spending and taxes, like they did in the '80s.

Are there any fiscally conservative environmentalists out there?
 

There are a lot of conservative environmentalists in VT and I consider myself one. It is the protectionists that do not want to see ANY development, not the environmentalists. Most true environmentalists can balance development with nature and we need both for a healthy Vermont.
 

This blog debate coverage format is a silly way to cover a debate. I appreciate TH taking time to sit there and try to type as fast as the candidates (don't) speak, but we end up with snippets that TH thinks are pertinent, but the reader might focus on some other blabber spilling from the candidates' mouths. A golden opportunity for VPT to cover something Vermonters might watch and instead we've got the same old local repeats running ad nauseum.

Please don't cover ebery debate this way. It doesn't add anthing but TH's hand-picked pullouts and her lightweight attempts to be snarky. Not working, at least for me.
 

McCain has a lot of experience inside the Washington beltway ... but a terrible track record.

"we will be welcomed as liberators." --on the Iraq war, "Hardball" interview, March 24, 2003

"There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods today." --prior to visiting a Baghdad market while being flanked by 22 soldiers, 10 armored Humvees, and two Apache attack helicopters

"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." McCain
 

I was in Montpelier and witnessed Jim Douglas eating Cool Whip that is manufactured in Avon, NY.
 

Pollina by far was the strongest in the debate. He had clear and articulate information to lay out on the table. Unless you consider the same tired rehashed rhetoric of Dem v Republican, Anthony has proven that he will lead Vermont in a new direction in politics.
 

NEK said...

"There are a lot of conservative environmentalists in VT and I consider myself one."

Sure, there are, nekkie boy. That's why the Legislature is so overwhelmingly republican and Ruth Dwyer is starting her second decade as Governor Ya gonna tell me there are a lot of 200-pound jockeys riding Kentucky Derby winners and Nazis who weren't anti-Semitic now too, nekwit.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 

Conservative environmentalist is a huge oxymoron, if ever there was one. Yes, I want clean rivers, but please relax the dumping restrictions on this chemical manufacturer.
 

That's what I love about the elite group- you assume everyone wants to pollute except ,of course, yourselves.
 

Pollina=Douglas.
 

NEK said...

"I didn't think Obama had been elected Governor, or ran a business- all he did was partner with Resco & Jerry Wright to organize a neighborhood- which is now an eyesore."

Sure, the world needs more brain-dead bush-leaguers drillin' dry holes, runnin' up deficits, lyin' us into wars and runnin' the Country into the ground, little fella.

Rummy and Cheney have all kinds of experience. How's that workin' out for the Country?

If this gop-scum administration had somethin' on Obama, they'd charge him. They don't and they can't.

Nekkie boy, if nothing else, you've made it abundantly clear that your next thought will be your first.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 

I'm an environmentalist. I just don't think we need to worry about protecting the environment.
 

NEK said...

"That's what I love about the elite group- you assume everyone wants to pollute except ,of course, yourselves."

Nah, I just rely on the gop-scum record. From Reagan claiming trees cause more pollution than cars, through Carcinogen Christie Todd Whitman being forced out of EPA because by admitting that pollution existed, she was too tough on business through Exxon Slime editing Scientific EPA reports to Bush ignoring his own EPA and a gop-scum Supreme Court, like claims that the Ahmadinejad is the best friend the Jewish People have had since Hitler, the gop-scum environmental record speaks for itself.

There's no need to assume anything. There never is.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 

Why is Symington in this race? She's clearly the weakest candidate the Dems have run, beginning with Racine. She thinks she'll win in a three way race? She failed as a speaker and should just fade away.
 

I was there, but I'm waiting to hear what Eric Davis would like me to think before I decide anything.
 

I saw Gaye Symington at a Luncheon the day of the debate. The menu was a chicken dish with artichoke sauce and rice or you could go to the sandwich buffet. There was lots of food but none designated as locally grown.
 

I'm an environmentalist. I just don't think we need to worry about protecting the environment.

12:12 PM, July 21, 2008

THIS IS NOT MY POST- LEAVE IT TO THE A**H**** TO IMITATE.

Terri- don't you have someone check the passwords?
 

I agree that Symington should bow out. She's terrible on the stump, has zero TVQ and is being advised by a bunch of political novices. I don't think even she believes she can come close in this race. Bow out Gaye. No one will hold it against you. They'll probably cheer the decision.
 

temper, temper.
 

nek..

"I'm an environmentalist. I just don't think we need to worry about protecting the environment."

Yeah, and I'm the Fire Chief. I just don't think people have to worry about chimney fires, getting drunk and passing out with cigarettes this winter.

Sure, you've got time for one more round and a six-pack to go before ya pick the kids up at school and drive 'em home, too.

Just make sure, to light a cigar and fill up the gas tank on the way home, little fella.

"I'm an environmentalist. I just don't think we need to worry about protecting the environment."

That may be the dumbest thing your ignorant ass has uttered to date, nekkie boy and the day's far from over and odds are good that you'll top it.

Don't go changin', little fella.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 

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Anonymous

"I agree that Symington should bow out. She's terrible on the stump, has zero TVQ and is being advised by a bunch of political novices. I don't think even she believes she can come close in this race. Bow out Gaye. No one will hold it against you. They'll probably cheer the decision."

Ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis "thinks" Symington knows she can't come close in this race and should just bow out.

Gee, it's all over. She can't possibly follow the hardest workin' man in ribbon cuttin', dog and pony show business today!

Is Jimi gonna play Middlebury, run wildly around the stage with his ceremonial scissors, set his ceremonial shovel on fire and smash it or is that too much like baitin' a hook and is he gonna have an aid do that for him, too?

Ya gonna schedule the press conference and have film at 11, deduce bag.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 

if anyone should bow out, it should be Pollina. Vermonters have voted against him every time he has run.

He comes in 3rd place every time. He'll come in 3rd place this time, too.
 

Anonymous said...

"if anyone should bow out, it should be Pollina. Vermonters have voted against him every time he has run."

He comes in 3rd place every time. He'll come in 3rd place this time, too."

He can always run against Peter Welch.

Clearly, the gops can't even get the lunatic-fringe likes of greg parke to run against him. He can recycle his romantic walks on the beach with terrorists and child molestors campaign and just take out Bernie's name and plug in Welch's since it worked so well the last time or two.

Given the fact that so many people agree with nekkie boy, you'd think there'd be all kinds of people chompin' at the bit to show their appreciation for bush's handlin' of the economy and their overwhelming support for the War in Iraq, high energy prices and the continued trashing of the environment, what's with the lack of gop-scum willing to take on Welch.
 

NEK

"I'm an environmentalist. I just don't think we need to worry about protecting the environment."

12:12 PM, July 21, 2008

"THIS IS NOT MY POST- LEAVE IT TO THE A**H**** TO IMITATE."

Gee, nekkie boy, you're gonna have go nameless-nekwit and post anonymously like the rest of the ignorant trash with bupkis.

You'll blend right in, nekkie boy.
 

I think that Anthony Pollina won hands down. My parents scored the debate, on almost all questions Anthony won. I believe that Anthony has the vision and the leadership that we need in order to bring our state back.
 

Yes, you've said that eight times, bloggergurl.

You were for Pollina before the debate and your mind wasn't changed.

Thanks for sharing.

Please don't be too sad when Tony comes in 3rd place. He always has and he always will.
 

I hear Douglas' camp is a little nervous about its own internal polling. There's hope Vermonters! Finally maybe people are waking up and wiping the Douglas junk out of their eyes. He's a poseur and a leech. Send him packing in 08!
 

Anonymous said...

"I hear Douglas' camp is a little nervous about its own internal polling. There's hope Vermonters! Finally maybe people are waking up and wiping the Douglas junk out of their eyes. He's a poseur and a leech. Send him packing in 08!"

You'll get no argument from me and no case to the contrary from his ignorant anonymous gop-slime supporters.
 

Here are my predictions: Douglas 47%, Symington 30%, Pollina 23%.

Jeb Spaulding in 2010!
 

It's funny that Pollina can't even decide which party he wants to belong to.
 

You must be kidding about Jeb Spaulding - he hides from issues - he a closet Jim Douglass and everyone in the Democratic Party knows it!
 

"Like, totally, oMg you guys: my parents told me Tony won the debate! I didn't even watch - no point in listening to that boring stuff! I mean why bother with researching the candidates and the issues myself when my 'rents can do it for me? I don't even have to read the papers! ~ BTW ~ isn't 'gurl' so much sassier than 'girl?' LOL like texting! I am like, sooo excited 2 VoTe!"


Ugh.
 

I am in favor of Jeb Spaulding because he is a moderate who will not let the Legislature spend us into debt. But he is a liberal on social issues.

If a big-spending liberal is elected Governor and taxes go up more, a lot of baby-boomers who are nearing retirement will move away, taking their income with them.
 

Anonymous

"Here are my predictions: Douglas 47%, Symington 30%, Pollina 23%."

Jeb Spaulding in 2010!"

In other words, the only thing standin' between the jimi douglas experience and the private sector is Anthony Pollina.

Personally, I see doogie gettin' between 38-43 percent tops while Symington clocks in at 33-36 percent Pollina gums up the works with 20-25 percent.

This gop-scum attempt to spin the Brooke Bennett tragedy to their benefit will backfire on them when the facts are on the table and it becomes readily apparent that the lion's share of the fault lies with Doogie's executive branch and the gop-scum reality of his record brings him down while it reinforces and reminds everyone just why this is a Dem year and it's time to lose the gop-scum who caused this mess.

Doogie may eke out another two years in a 3-way race, but he's lookin' at President Obama and larger Dem Majorities in Congress and a veto-proof Dem Majority in the Vermont Legislature.

In light of that reality, he best be careful what he wishes for. If he wins, reality and the Dems can carry his sorry butt for another two years, bust him up and make it hurt. He'd be better off if they knock him out now and get it over with.

While it serves him right to suffer, Vermont's suffered enough at his incompetent hands.
 

Pollina is now in the single digits, according to his own poll, and sinking. That's why he did the desperation move to independent today. He can't raise any money, and anyone can see this is his last hurrah. It's really too bad. Someone else might have been able to actually talk with Dems about his candidacy. He apparently could not.

My best guess is Douglas 47%, Symington 43% and Pollina 9%. With that result, Symington has an argument to make to the legislature.

Green Mountain Boy
 

Anonymous said...
"I was in Montpelier and witnessed Jim Douglas eating Cool Whip that is manufactured in Avon, NY."

Well that's it. Douglas has pushed me too far this time. How can I possibly vote for him now?

C'mon. Get a life.
 

I think that Cool Whip reference was an attempt to poke fun at the pie in the face incident.
 

Green Mountain boy has it right. Pollina will not get more than ten percent of the vote, but probably just enough to ensure Douglas gets another term. Way to go Anthony.
 

Let's see. On the day all major party candidates were required to file their petition signatures, progressive pollina suddenly announces he'll run as an independent. One can draw one of two inferences from the announcement. One, that Pollina didn't have the needed 500 legitimate signatures to get on the ballot---and needs the late filing deadline for independents to get them. Or two, he just blew off the people who had signed his petition to get on as a Progressive. He asked for their support and now will throw their signatures into the trash can. I'll guess he didn't have the signatures.
 

Anonymous said...

"Green Mountain boy has it right. Pollina will not get more than ten percent of the vote, but probably just enough to ensure Douglas gets another term. Way to go Anthony."

Pollina remains the only thing standing between doogie and the private sector.

He inflicted dimwitted brian dubie on the State of Vermont. Now he wants to give two more disastrous, undeserved and unwarranted years to doogie.
 

Interesting. One dimwit opining on another.
 

Jeb Spaulding - no way!
 

Has anyone asked how many signatures he had to get on the Progressive Party ballot? Knowing Tony, you'd better ask to actually see the sheets as opposed to relying on his answer. He's liable to say anything to anyone at anytime.
 

This is yet another story the Free Press has relegated to its blog page instead of the actual paper. Investigative journalism ain't happening anymore.
 

Anonymous said...

"Interesting. One dimwit opining on another."

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has got bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

Dismissed.
 

Just because this thread is getting boring, here is an update on the Obama tour from Andrea Mitchell's point of view....fake interviews, very nice and you believe the news.
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Andrea on Obama Trip: 'What Some Would Call Fake Interviews'
By Mark Finkelstein
July 21, 2008 - 20:00 ET

Andrea Mitchell might be a doyenne of the liberal media, but she has her reporter's pride and principles, both of which have been trampled by the way the Obama campaign has managed the media during the candidate's current trip to Afghanistan and Iraq. Mitchell let loose on this evening's Hardball, speaking of "fake interviews" and indicating we don't know the truth of the trip because we don't know what was edited out of the video that's been released.
Before Mitchell made her displeasure known, Roger Simon of Politico, Chris Matthews's other guest during the segment, depicted the images coming out of the war zone as all Obama could have dreamed of.

ROGER SIMON: The optics are all very good on this trip. I mean, the beginning of this trip is so good, Senator Obama might just want to call off the end and just keep running the videotape. He goes into a gym, everybody, all the service people there cheer. He shoots a basket, you know, it goes through the hoop. He's obviously standing there with troops, they seem to be liking him, smiling. They don't seem to feel that Barack Obama wants to desert them, to leave them in Iraq. This is exactly what the Obama campaign hoped for, and this was supposed to be the tough part of the trip. The meatiest part of the trip in Jordan and Israel may be tough in terms of foreign policy, but the back end of the trip to cheering European crowds will certainly be as good if not better than this. So I think he's feeling very good right now.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Andrea, I want to get ethnic a little bit here --

ANDREA MITCHELL: This is message --

MATTHEWS: Yeah, go ahead, please.

MITCHELL: Let me just say something about the message management. He didn't have reporters with him, he didn't have a press pool, he didn't do a press conference while he was on the ground in either Afghanistan or Iraq. What you're seeing is not reporters brought in. You're seeing selected pictures taken by the military, questions by the military, and what some would call fake interviews, because they're not interviews from a journalist. So, there's a real press issue here. Politically it's smart as can be. But we've not seen a presidential candidate do this, in my recollection, ever before.

When Matthews inquired about the atmospherics of the trip, Mitchell made clear her frustration as a reporter.

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about access to the troops, Andrea. A lot of African-American faces over there, very happy, delighted faces. Is that a representation of the percentage of servicepeople who are African-American, or did they all choose to join someone they like, apparently? What's the story?

MITCHELL: I can't really say that. Being a reporter who was not present in any of those situations, I just cannot report on what was edited out, what was, you know, on the sidelines. That's my issue. We don't know what we are seeing.

Good on Andrea. Now, will the rest of the MSN press the Obama campaign to release the outtakes from the war zone?
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor
 

McCain's trips are done the exact same way -- but the right wing wackos won't tell you that.

This isn't a trip for Andrea Mitchell, it's a trip for US Senators. It's their job to keep appraised of what's going on over there. That's what they are doing.
 

McCain landed in Manchester last night and there was one reporter and one photographer to meet him. You can hear the crickets now. Nice work Barnett. You're doing a heckuva job Barney!
 

McCain rules!
 

If Douglas had acted way back, as Illuzzi tried to tell him, Vermont would own the dams on the Connecticut River and Vermont Yankee wouldn't be nearly the issue it is. Douglas didn't act though and we are where we are because of his inaction. This is a point that I hope Gaye and Anthony start pounding home throughout the election. Douglas doesn't care about Vermonters best interests. If he did, we'd own those dams.
 

Anonymous said...

"Just because this thread is getting boring, here is an update on the Obama tour from Andrea Mitchell's point of view....fake interviews, very nice and you believe the news."

In other words, because you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis, you've decided to introduce some new disinformation by citing an entry from Bozo Bozell's Newsbusters - aka news for nameless-nitwits with bupkis who think fixed news channel is too liberal because even your factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest, ignorant anonymous ass is bored with your delusional dreck. How thoughtful.

Knock yourself out, little nameless-nitwit fella.

"Andrea Mitchell might be a doyenne of the liberal media, but she has her reporter's pride and principles, both of which have been trampled by the way the Obama campaign has managed the media during the candidate's current trip to Afghanistan and Iraq."

Ah, so the wife of Alan Greenspan for over 20 years is a "doyenne of the liberal media", eh? And on what planet would that be, little fella?

Secondly, if the video of Obama's trip is being shot by the military as your newsbusters nonsense makes clear in a quote from Andrea Mitchell that was not contradicted by Matthews, Simon or the bozell chimp who authored this "news", apart from Mitchell bitchin' about her lack of access to Obama, what's the problem, little fella?

Is it your clueless-cretin contention that, along with Andrea Mitchell, the US Military is now part of the so-called liberal media, too?

The wife of Alan Greenspan - the man chosen by Reagan to head the Fed and finish off the work of Paul Volcker whom Jimmy Carter had appointed to head the Fed to deal with the rampant, runaway inflation and stagflation of the Nixon/Ford years whose austere monetary policies were responsible for the high interest rates and tight credit necessary to bring the inflation and stagflation under control which enabled the so-called reagan recovery to begin because Reagan didn't want anyone thinking that the economic recovery was the product of anything but his utterly-psychotic and thoroughly-discredited voodoo economics is a "doyenne" of the so-called "liberal media", eh?

And on what planet would that be, little factually-challenged fella?

So, you've presented us with a slice of newsbusters nonsense revealing that Obama met behind closed doors with the military leadership and mingled with the troops as it was recorded by videographers of and under the direction of the US Military and Andrea Mitchell and the other anchors and reporters along for the trip don't like their access to Obama being restricted.

Disgruntled Andrea Mitchell, her fellow reporters and anchors covering the trip and the US Military are the liberal media establishment.

Talk about your access of evil.

Stop the fookin' presses.

Andrea Mitchell doesn't like having her access restricted. Compared to what, the unlimited access they're granted to cover the likes of shrub, cheney, rummy, rice and the rest of the incompetent gop-scum attached to this administration!

It's almost as if Obama went hunting deadly, man-eating doves at a private petting zoo in Texas on the 11th day of the month, shot some guy in the face, tried to cover it up for the better part of 24 hours until the news became public and the WH was forced to issue and official statement on his behalf while he remained silent, refusing to comment until he agreed to sit down with his own handpicked "interviewer", like, oh, say, gop-scum apologist, horsebrit hume, billo or sean inshannity.

Evidently, that would be different.

Disgruntled Andrea Mitchell, her fellow reporters and anchors covering the trip and the US Military are the liberal media establishment.

Talk about your access of evil.

Stop the fookin' presses.

Nice try, little factually-challenged/nameless-nitwit fella. No sale. Take it where the climate suits your sheet, schmuck.
Dismissed.
 

You are right about the dams, but Clavelle and Scudder both tried beat that issue pretty hard. It didn't resonate with people.

Gaye needs to talk about our energy future. Not fight old battles that have already been lost.
 

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Wrap-up":

"McCain rules!" Well, if his wife and daughter's American Express Cards are any indication, even by the usual less than lofty gop-scum standards, he's gonna do a hell of a job with the US Economy.

Of course, in the interests of fiscal restraint, he can always try to repeal the Martin Luther King federal holiday he fought so long and valiantly against.
 

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Wrap-up":

"You are right about the dams, but Clavelle and Scudder both tried beat that issue pretty hard. It didn't resonate with people."

Well, apart from the fact that dam ownership is hardly the only issue the jimi douglas experience is vulnerable on and that was a few years and collapsed VT Yankee cooling tower troubles and Entergy incidents ago.

Clavelle and Scudder Parker weren't up against a six-year record of doogie incompetence and indifference.

There's no great love for doogie. He's had his six year shot and Vermont is the worse for it. The Vermont he inherited from Howard Dean was in far better shape than the one he'll be leaving Symington.
 

Symingtons got problems running on her own record.
 

Anonymous said...

"Symingtons got problems running on her own record."

Of what, failing to override the gop-scum vetoes of doogie the dimmer.

Go to Walmart and get your ignorant anonymous ass a case and a clue, little fella.
Dismissed.
 

Actually, among other things, yes.

She has done a miserable job working the legislature to get her agenda(whatever that is) implemented.

You make her out as a poor little ol'victim of the evil Douglas machine. Apparently you see J.D. as quite a political dynamo, seeing how effective he has been stopping the Dems agenda and moving his forward against what you describe as the tide of popular opinion.

Anyone with a super majority can pass their legislation. A leader, however, is capable of working across the aisle and finding solutions. Something Douglas has done.

Just so you can find it when you go looking for yours, Walmart stock their 'clues' in the accessories department.

Captain America
 

Anonymous said...

"Actually, among other things, yes.
She has done a miserable job working the legislature to get her agenda(whatever that is) implemented."

So, auntie amerika, your ignorant anonymous ass doesn't know what her agenda is, but whatever it is, you "think" she's done a lousy job of it.

"You make her out as a poor little ol'victim of the evil Douglas machine."

I do, eh? Is it your ignorant anonymous ass's clueless-cretin contention that 100 of 150 votes in the House is not necessary to override a dimwitted doogie veto of legislation supported by the majority of Vermonters, crazy lady? If she only gets 95-99 votes, she can't override a doogie veto, auntie amerika.

I hate to keep confusin' your ignorant anonymous ass with the facts, crazy lady, but them's the facts. Read 'em and weep.

As for victims, that would be the State of Vermont after the better part of six years of jimi douglas experience incompetence and indifference.

Of course, like the other 49 governors, he's a victim of the brain-dead, bushleague, gop-scum policies implemented by the illegitimate trash currently squatting in the White House and their late, unlamented, gop-scum Congressional rubber-stamp, but given the fact that he supports that illegitimate trash and endorses most of their policies which have brought us even bigger deficits than the last bush deficit, the last bush recession and the last brain-dead bushleague administration, so he doesn't even have that excuse.

"Apparently you see J.D. as quite a political dynamo, seeing how effective he has been stopping the Dems agenda and moving his forward against what you describe as the tide of popular opinion."

No, I see him as an incompetent, indifferent gop-scum governor who's left Vermont in worse shape than he found it. What's more, he's got the six-year record to prove it.

You, on the other hand, have your usual bupkis, auntie amerika.

As for what your ignorant anonymous ass "thinks" I see as the tide of public opinion, I just look at the current composition of the legislature and the fact that Walt Freed was Speaker of the House when Doogie commenced his systematic destruction of the State of Vermont. He lost it after one term and the Legislative Dem Majorities have been growing ever since.

Is it your ignorant anonymous ass's clueless-cretin contention that the composition of the Legislature is not an expression of public opinion, little fella?

"Anyone with a super majority can pass their legislation...."

Gee, thanks for clearin' that up, crazy lady.

At what point did Symington have a super majority in her tenure as Speaker of the House?

That's what I thought.

"A leader, however, is capable of working across the aisle and finding solutions. Something Douglas has done."

He has, eh? When? Where? That's what I thought. If he worked on a bipartisan basis, bonehead, then, by definition, so have Symington and Shumlin and their respective majorities in their respective legislative bodies.

Logic, crazy lady. Look into it.

Moreover, even after it was revealed that Jacques was released from supervised probation on the recommendation of doogie's Corrections Department and he and his factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/ignorant trash with bupkis supporters couldn't blame the Vermont Legislature given the fact that the executive branch is responsible for enacting and implementing the law, they didn't let the facts stand in their way any more than they did in the Judge Cashman Affair and said he'd only call an emergency legislative session on the Brooke Bennett case if the legislature agreed to rubber-stamp his proposals as is.

That ain't leadership, crazy lady. That's lunatic-fringe

Then again, given the fact that the facts ain't doin' doogie and his gop-scum supporters any favors, it'd be unreasonable to expect them to start tellin' the truth now.

All of which continues to leave your ignorant anonymous ass dumb, scum, and more buried in bupkis than ever.

So, in light of these facts, crazy lady, ya best get crackin' if you're gonna make it to Walmart and back before it starts pourin' and the rain washes your ignorant anonymous ass and the rest of the gop-scum off the street and down the drain, little fella.

You've polluted this state for far too long, little fella. Take it where the climate suits your sheet.

Always a pleasure.
Dismissed.
 

You have way too much free time on your hands- and you still can't get Jim Douglas or Brian Dubie out of office. Must be the majority of the people DO NOT listen to you.
Have you ever wondered why??
 

NEK....

"You have way too much free time on your hands- and you still can't get Jim Douglas or Brian Dubie out of office."

Your ignorant ill-informed ass is aware that it's not November yet, don't you, nekkie boy?

Given the fact that no member or supporter of the doogie/dubie debacle has ever displayed any evidence of integrity, intellect or that they possess the capacity to distinguish their ignorant ass from the evidence-free elbow, it's a fair question.

Given their ever-increasing integrity deficit, I really didn't expect them to resign in the wake of their latest example of their collective incompetence and indifference toward the well being of the State of Vermont, little fella.

Clearly, they're gonna have to be dragged out kickin' and screamin'

"Must be the majority of the people DO NOT listen to you.
Have you ever wondered why??"

Really? The majority of what people, nekwit?

Is it your clueless-cretin contention that they agree with your ignorant, ill-informed ass, nekkie boy?

Based on what, Vermont's Congressional Delegation? The current composition of the Vermont Legislature?

Always a pleasure.
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JWCOOP 10 said…“You make her out as a poor little ol' victim of the evil Douglas machine."

I do, eh? Is it your ignorant anonymous ass's clueless-cretin contention that 100 of 150 votes in the House is not necessary to override a dimwitted doogie veto of legislation supported by the majority of Vermonters, crazy lady? If she only gets 95-99 votes, she can't override a doogie veto, auntie amerika.”

No, my contention is that: (1) she asked for the responsibility to lead the House as the Speaker which she was entrusted with, (2) that job assumes she has a vision and agenda for our State and has the skills necessary to work with her peers to implement the legislation necessary to achieve that goal, and (3) she sets the pace for legislative action in Montpelier.

To date, she has seemingly been a follower of Shumlin, not a thought leader within the State. She has led legislative sessions highlighted by a series of boutique issues of minimal significance to the State’s real issues. She has been late to the party on most issues being beat consistently by Douglas. If in fact all these vetoed items have really been important to Vermonters as you imply, she has down a miserable job pulling together a bi-partisan coalition of 100 legislators focused on doing the right thing for VT even if it conflicts with personal Party goals.

Coopy goes on to say… “Apparently you see J.D. as quite a political dynamo, seeing how effective he has been stopping the Dems agenda and moving his forward against what you describe as the tide of popular opinion."

No, I see him as an incompetent, indifferent gop-scum governor”

Then why do you obsess over him? Clearly a man about town like you has better things to do with his time than fuss over an ‘incompetent’ or do you feel you need to talk down to the rest of us poor folk to help us understand what we need to know?
Congrats on the insults. Your copy and paste skills remain razor sharp and you continue to more than demonstrate the lessons you have learned in Effective Demagoguery 101. You will feel better however if you take personal responsibility for your life and stop being such a victim of the political environs of VT.

Captain America
 

JWCOOP10 said..."Must be the majority of the people DO NOT listen to you.
Have you ever wondered why??"

Really? The majority of what people, nekwit?"

It may be difficult to show whether people do or don't listen to Coopy but one thing is clear, they do not listen to Gaye S.

The proof is in her ability to form a coalition of legislators to move forward her agenda for VT. Much like Coopy's shortcoming, she has struggled working with those of a differing point of view.
 

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JWCOOP10 said..."Must be the majority of the people DO NOT listen to you.
Have you ever wondered why??"

Really? The majority of what people, nekwit?"

Actually, little factually-challenged/nameless-nitwit fella, I did not say the first passage your ignorant anonymous ass has erroneously attributed to me, but, hey, you've never let the facts get in your way before, it would be unreasonable of me to expect you to start now.

Continue, my little clueless-cretin.

"It may be difficult to show whether people do or don't listen to Coopy but one thing is clear, they do not listen to Gaye S."

In other words, you're dumb you're scum and ya got bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

"The proof is in her ability to form a coalition of legislators to move forward her agenda for VT."

In other words, the fact that she's never had a veto-proof majority in the House and as that gop legislator from Mount Holly proved when he ditched his convictions, jettisoned his integrity, changed his vote and put the interests of covering Doogie's incompetent ass and gop-scum solidarity over the interests and the will of the majority of Vermonters just as the jimi douglas experience has continually done, it's her fault and she should just rubber-stamp whatever dimwitted, delusional dreck doogie doles out to her without question and go against the will of Vermonters because that would be showing leadership in your clueless-cretin estimation.

Nice try, nitwit. No sale.

So, a gop-scum minority with even less integrity than intellect who are more loyal to the incompetent jimi douglas experience and their party than they are to reality and the State of Vermont proving that - they have neither the capacity nor the inclination to negotiate and legislate in good faith.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

"Much like Coopy's shortcoming, she has struggled working with those of a differing point of view."

Ah, so, the fact that she can only get 95-99 votes out of a possible 150 is evidence of her alleged failure to work with people with differing points of view and not the fault of an incompetent administration and an obstructionist minority more concerned with the interests of the minority than the interests of Vermont, eh?

Nice try, nitwit. No sale.

Ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis by ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis for ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis is not a point of view, little fella.

It's just ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis by ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis for ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis.

Big difference.

Again, deduce bag, your ignorant anonymous ass has been unable to support your slop since ya got here.

There is nothing legitimate about you or your utterly-psychotic, unsubstantiated delusional dreck. There never was an I see no evidence that there ever will be.

You're dumb, you're scum and ya got bupkis, punk. That's been the status quo since ya got here. There's nothing legitimate about you and your ignorant anonymous ass can huff and puff all ya want, little fella, but I'm not gonna pretend that there is.

Always a pleasure.
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In your own bizarro world way, you got most of the point Coopy. Clearly you don't like it but you got it.

Gaye failed to fulfill the responsibility she accepted as Speaker to put forth and enact her agenda for the State. She knew the mix of politicians when she took the job. The rules didn't change. It was just too big of a task for her. She failed to do what she was entrusted to do by those that put her there. She wasn't victimized (that is such a lame argument) she was out-maneuvered.

Repeatedly Douglas and the Repubs displayed superior political acumen. They achieved their plans despite the odds. The rules were the same for them as they were for Gaye. They did what they were elected to do. They worked acrossed the aisle when they had to and drew the line when they had to. As you like to refer to them, the jimi douglas experience rocks!
 

Anonymous...

JWCOOP 10 said…“You make her out as a poor little ol' victim of the evil Douglas machine."

I said that, eh? Feel free to point out just when and where, little factually-challenged fella.

That's what I thought.

Again, auntie amerika, attributing passages of delusional dreck uttered by your ignorant anonymous ass to me ain't helpin' your clueless-cretin credibility a bit, crazy lady.

"I do, eh? Is it your ignorant anonymous ass's clueless-cretin contention that 100 of 150 votes in the House is not necessary to override a dimwitted doogie veto of legislation supported by the majority of Vermonters, crazy lady? If she only gets 95-99 votes, she can't override a doogie veto, auntie amerika.”

No, my contention is that: (1) she asked for the responsibility to lead the House as the Speaker which she was entrusted with, (2) that job assumes she has a vision and agenda for our State and has the skills necessary to work with her peers to implement the legislation necessary to achieve that goal, and (3) she sets the pace for legislative action in Montpelier."

And her failure to rubber-stamp whatever delusional dreck the dimwitted gop-scum doogie/dubie debacle doles out to her with no questions asked is evidence of her failure to bargain in good faith, eh?

Again, doogie had a gop-scum speaker in walt freed to rubber-stamp his rubbish. He lost it. If Vermont wanted him to have a gop-scum rubber-stamp Speaker, Walt Freed or some other gop-trash would have the job and there'd still be a gop-scum majority in the House.

There isn't. Indeed, the Dem Majority grows larger with each election. To date, I see no evidence that this trend won't continue. Even if doogie ekes out another encore with the help of Pollina, he's looking at even larger Dem Majorities in the Legislature in January and he won't have Gaye Symington as Speaker to kick around any longer.

Clearly, Vermont has wanted a Dem Legislature to keep Doogie in line for the past four years.

"To date, she has seemingly been a follower of Shumlin, not a thought leader within the State."

Gee, she's "seemingly" been that, eh? Ya got anything you don't feel the need to preface with qualifiers like, "seemingly", little fella?

You find it odd that a Dem Speaker of the House would confer with a Dem President Pro Tem in the Senate so they can coordinate, act in concert and put forth the most unified Legislative Branch possible as their constituents elected them to do, cap'n clueless?

You must be new in town. Clearly, you're not familiar with Vermont's Constitution and System of Government.

Ignorant trash with bupkis is not a good look for you, little fella. Ya might wanna bone up on that bonehead.

"She has led legislative sessions highlighted by a series of boutique issues of minimal significance to the State’s real issues. She has been late to the party on most issues being beat consistently by Douglas. If in fact all these vetoed items have really been important to Vermonters as you imply, she has down a miserable job pulling together a bi-partisan coalition of 100 legislators focused on doing the right thing for VT even if it conflicts with personal Party goals."

She has "down" that, eh? And just when and where did she "down" that, little fella.

How is it the job of The Speaker of the House to get 93 Dems and whatever Progs and Indies she can win over to acquiesce to the wishes of 49 intractable gop-scum nitwits in the House who are more concerned with protectin' Doogie than Vermont, bend to the will or the minority and rubber-stamp anything their gop-scum governor tosses out there to show leadership.

Is Shumlin required to ignore the will of 23 Senators and their constituents to accommodate the seven psychos the gops have in the Senate to demonstrate leadership in your ignorant anonymous ass's estimation, crazy lady?

"Coopy goes on to say… “Apparently you see J.D. as quite a political dynamo, seeing how effective he has been stopping the Dems agenda and moving his forward against what you describe as the tide of popular opinion."

I did, eh? Again, feel free to point out just when and where I said that, little factually-challenged fella.

That's what I thought.

You've always been ignorant trash with bupkis, little factually-challenged fella. That's a given.
As your boy, rummy the dummy used to put it, "that's a known known."

However, if you're so desperate that you feel simply spewing psychotic-slop with no basis in fact or relationship to reality and just plain lying your ignorant anonymous ass off won't git 'er done for ya anymore and you're at the point where ya feel the need to expand your repertoire of rubbish and commence the fabrication of quotes to attribute to me, at least try not to be so ham-handed and obvious about it, little fella.

"No, I see him as an incompetent, indifferent gop-scum governor”

Smart fella. I couldn't have put it better myself.

"Then why do you obsess over him?"

Ya mean besides the fact that he's an incompetent, indifferent gop-scum governor who's been running Vermont into the ground since he got there and I'm a Vermont Citizen, taxpayer and registered voter concerned about the state of Vermont as well as the State of Vermont concerned with its long-term health and vitality and viability who doesn't want to see doogie continue to diminish Vermont the way his boy bush has diminished the USA?

How many reasons do ya need, nitwit?

The greatest threat to Vermont is the doogie/dubie debacle. They are the problem. Losing them is the first step in solving the problem and getting Vermont back on track and moving in the right direction again.

"Clearly a man about town like you has better things to do with his time than fuss over an ‘incompetent’...

Well, given the fact that he's the currently the incompetent, indifferent, gop-scum Governor of the State of Vermont and will remain so until at least January, he's not just another incompetent gop-scum nitwit in the middle of the road waitin' for Fish and Wildlife to get around to pickin' him up and disposing of him, as a Vermonter who actually gives a damn about Vermont, like the impending, exploding costs of fuel oil and heating our place this Winter, I'm kinda forced to deal with him until somebody drives a stake through his heart and puts him out of Vermont's misery.

That's just a fact of life for the time being.

"..or do you feel you need to talk down to the rest of us poor folk to help us understand what we need to know?"

Nah, it's more of a guilty pleasure and a way to pass the time as I rehab from another surgery than a need, little fella.

As for talking down to ya, given the fact that I don't have an elevator and I'm not gonna hobble down six flights of stairs to use the top of your head as a coffee table when I've got one right here and you insist on remaining ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis, I really don't see any alternative.

As for educating your ignorant anonymous ass, you're ignorant trash with bupkis because you're ignorant trash with bupkis, little fella. Clearly, you've embraced your clueless-cretinism and ya like it that way.

You've made it abundantly clear that you have neither the capacity, the intellect or the inclination to be educated or allow yourself to be confused with the facts.

That said, I'm simply not going to pretend that you're something more than the ignorant anonymous trash you are and have worked so hard to become, little fella.

You're not a serious person advocating a legitimate point of view rooted in fact and supported by the evidence. There's nothing remotely legitimate about you or your pathetic point of view.

Ignorant bigotry with no basis in fact or supporting evidence is not a legitimate point of view, crazy lady. It's just ignorant bigotry with no basis in fact or supporting evidence and, like doogie, you've got the record to prove it.

"Congrats on the insults."

Not at all, little factually-challenged/nameless-nitwit fella. You and your clueless-cretin comrades earned every one of them and as long as ya keep spewing psychotic slop with no basis in fact and making bogus allegations you can't substantiate, I'm gonna keep callin' ya on your delusional dreck, so I'm sure we'll be seein' a lot of each other.

It's the least I can do.

"..You will feel better however if you take personal responsibility for your life and stop being such a victim of the political environs of VT."

Ah, so pointing out the fact that the executive branch is responsible for enacting and enforcing the law, the reality that a D is not a P, that at no time did Symington ever have a veto-proof majority, that there's out of the ordinary or improper nothing wrong with the Democratic Speaker conferring with their Senate Pro Tem counterpart and the fact that it is not the job of the Democratic Speaker of the House and it is not the job of the Democratic Speaker and the Democratic Legislature to rubber stamp whatever gop-scum delusional dreck doogie doles out to them with no questions asked is evidence of me allegedly failing to "take personal responsibility for my life" and that I'll feel so much better if I "stop being such a victim of the political environs of VT." and I'll be a happier person if I stop pretending your delusional dreck is not supported by the facts and reality and I start pretending that you and your ignorant anonymous acolytes are serious advocates for a legitimate point of view rooted in fact and supported by the evidence despite all evidence to the contrary.

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

Always a pleasure.
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Anonymous said...

"In your own bizarro world way, you got most of the point Coopy. Clearly you don't like it but you got it."

I did, eh? Apart from the fact that your ignorant anonymous ass hasn't established a point since ya got here and you and your clueless-cretin comrades have taken to attributing delusional dreck you've doled out to me and fabricating bogus quotes because ya got bupkis, feel free to point out just when and where I did that, little fella.

That's what I thought.

"Gaye failed to fulfill the responsibility she accepted as Speaker to put forth and enact her agenda for the State. She knew the mix of politicians when she took the job. The rules didn't change. It was just too big of a task for her. She failed to do what she was entrusted to do by those that put her there. She wasn't victimized (that is such a lame argument) she was out-maneuvered."

Not as lame as your ignorant anonymous ass's factually-challenged/utterly-psychotic and patently pathetic attempts to claim that was the central point to my argument in her defense, deduce bag.

Symington wasn't victimized by doogie and the gop-scum minority in the Legislature. Vermont was.

How is it Symington's job to get 93Dems to bow to the will of an incompetent, gop-scum Governor and a gop-scum legislative minority more concerned with the preservation of the gop-scum party than the State of Vermont, little nameless-nitwit fella?

How is it Shumlin's job to get 23 Dem Senators to bow to the will of Doogie and the 7 gop-scum nitwits in the Senate?

Ninety-three is not 100, little lunatic-fringe/lyin' slime fella. A P and an I are not a D. At no time did she ever have a veto-proof majority. That's simply a statement of historical fact, little factually-challenged fella.

Your ignorant anonymous ass, on the other hand, is lucky it's anonymous.

"Repeatedly Douglas and the Repubs displayed superior political acumen. They achieved their plans despite the odds. The rules were the same for them as they were for Gaye."

Gop-scum will always win a goosestepping contest. It's who they are. It's what they do.

Nevertheless, nobody ever accused gop-scum of an excessive willingness to bargain in good faith, a desire to keep their word or an overabundance of honesty and integrity.

They still haven't.

"They did what they were elected to do. They worked acrossed the aisle when they had to and drew the line when they had to."

Once again, ninety-three is not 100, little lunatic-fringe/lyin' slime fella. A "P" and an "I" are not a D. At no time did she ever have a veto-proof majority. That's simply a statement of historical fact, little factually-challenged fella.

The Dems have increased their majorities in each of the past two election cycles. Clearly, they were elected to keep the doogie/dubie debacle from getting out of hand.

Unfortunately, 93 is still not 100 and doogie and the gop-scum minority in the Legislature are more loyal to doogie and the gop-scum party than they are to Vermont and its people.

That will be remedied in November.

Always a pleasure.
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"Ninety-three is not 100, little lunatic-fringe/lyin' slime fella. A P and an I are not a D. At no time did she ever have a veto-proof majority. That's simply a statement of historical fact, little factually-challenged fella."

Hey Bonehead...that's the point. She is entirely incapable of working 'across the aisle'. If things require a bi-partisan effort she is unable to broker it. That used to be the sign of an effective politician.

Cooperation used to be important. Apparently in your view of politics today it is not. By your behavior it is obviously not.
 

Anonymous said...

"Ninety-three is not 100, little lunatic-fringe/lyin' slime fella. A P and an I are not a D. At no time did she ever have a veto-proof majority. That's simply a statement of historical fact, little factually-challenged fella."

"Hey Bonehead...that's the point. She is entirely incapable of working 'across the aisle'. If things require a bi-partisan effort she is unable to broker it. That used to be the sign of an effective politician."

Ya mean besides the fact that any failure to cooperate has been on the part of the doogie/dubie debacle and the gop-scum minority in the House, that you can't distinguish your ignorant anonymous ass from your elbow and the next point your ignorant anonymous ass establishes will be your first, little factually-challenged fella?

Ah, so I'm goin' too fast for your ignorant anonymous ass and ya need me to dumb it down for ya.

Fine, it's not her fault that the jimi douglas experience and the gop-swine minority in the legislature refuse to honor their word or negotiate in good faith, little fella.

Just which part of it's not her job to get her 93-vote caucus to accommodate and bow to the will of the incompetent putz in the Pavilion and the intractable 49-vote gop-scum minority in the House any more than it's Shumlin's job to get his 23 votes to accommodate and bend to the will of the gop-slime psychotic seven in the Senate is giving your ignorant anonymous ass trouble, little fella?

"Cooperation used to be important. Apparently in your view of politics today it is not. By your behavior it is obviously not."

Nice try, nitwit. Cooperation is a two-way street. Your ignorant anonymous ass just wants the Dem Majority to bow to the will of the gop-scum legislative minority and rubber-stamp dimwitted delusional the putz in the Pavilion sends them with no questions asked.

That's not what they were elected to do, punk.

Again, doogie had a gop-scum Speaker in Walt Freed when he first started. He lost it at the next election.

If Vermont wanted doogie to have a gop-scum rubber-stamp legislature for doogie he'd still have one.

Clearly, he doesn't have one. Clearly, we don't.

Nobody forced doogie to veto the bills in this session any more than they forced him to veto the bills last year and every other year he's been in office. Clearly, they were supported by the vast majority of the Legislature and the people who elected them.

Nobody forced the gop-scum minority in the House to ignore the majority of Vermonters and the well-being of the State of Vermont and uphold doogie's veto.

Any failure to cooperate has been on the part of doogie/dubie debacle and the gop-scum minority in the House, little fella.

Get your ignorant anonymous ass a case and a clue or get lost, punk.

Am I still goin' too fast for ya, little factually-challenged fella?

That's a shame. Adult Basic Ed. Look into it, schmuck.

Always a pleasure.
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"Nobody forced doogie to veto the bills in this session any more than they forced him to veto the bills last year and every other year he's been in office. Clearly, they were supported by the vast majority of the Legislature and the people who elected them."

I agree. He vetoed them becasue he thought they were bad for the State. That, in fact Coopy, is his job. If the legislation was good and Gaye believed in it, she should have worked to get it overridden. She tried but failed.

If the vast majority of the Legislators agreed (isn't that 100 people?), they would have banned together and overridden the veto. They didn't.

Redefine vast majority in your own mind if you want but in the VT legislature it is 2/3's of the House.
 

Anonymous....

"Nobody forced doogie to veto the bills in this session any more than they forced him to veto the bills last year and every other year he's been in office. Clearly, they were supported by the vast majority of the Legislature and the people who elected them."

"I agree. He vetoed them becasue he thought they were bad for the State. That, in fact Coopy, is his job."

They were, eh? Based on what?

That's what I thought.

Your ignorant anonymous ass's factually-challenged opinion ain't evidence, little fella. It's merely your ignorant anonymous ass's factually-challenged opinion.

Big difference.

So, apart from the fact that you continue to be unable to spell because, figure out how to work spell-check or cough up anything even remotely resembling evidence in support of your psychotic slop,
what's your farcockteh, meshuggah point, putz?

That's what I thought.

"If the legislation was good and Gaye believed in it, she should have worked to get it overridden."

Nice try, nitwit. If the legislation was so bad and Vermont has such faith in the judgement of doogie and the gop-scum minority, why did Vermonters take away his gop-scum Speaker of the House and elect an overwhelmingly Democratic Legislature that left doogie within one vote of having his veto overridden, little factually-challenged fella?

As for Vermont's faith in the judgement of the gop-scum minority, if they had any, they'd be the gop-scum Majority.

Clearly, they're not. Clearly, they don't.

Moreover, if gop-scum leadership hadn't leaned on their Mount Airy airhead to ditch his convictions along with his integrity to make the gop-scum minority's vote unanimous, Symington would have had her 100 votes and doogie's veto would have been overridden.

The failure wasn't Symington's, schmuck. Vermont was once again victimized by an incompetent gop-scum Governor and an integrity-free gop-scum legislative minority.

It was never Symington's job to rubber-stamp whatever delusional dreck doogie doled out to her any more than it's Shumlin's. If Pollina continues to come to his rescue and doogie survives in November, it won't be the job of the next Dem Speaker to rubber-stamp doogie's delusional dreck.

Of course, he/she may actually have a veto-proof Dem Legislative Majority should he survive and a veto-proof Dem Legislative Majority if he finds himself forced to become a gop-scum lobbyist leaning on legislators in the State House a bit sooner than he planned.

As for the matter of vast majorities and what constitutes them, little factually-challenged/nameless-nitwit fella, 100 out of 150 votes in the House is what's needed to override a veto by the Governor. That fact has never been in dispute.

That said, 99-51 is not a photo finish, little fella. Ninety-nine out of 150 is a vast majority.

What's more, given the fact that there's 180 votes in the Vermont General Assembly and 122 out of a possible 180 voted to override doogie's veto.

Secretariat didn't win the '73 Triple Crown by that big a margin, little fella. It's gonna take a bit more than the Senate's gop-scum psycho seven to make it a horse race.

So, given the fact that Vermonters keep increasing the size of the Dem Legislative Majorities with each passing election cycle, clearly, the overwhelming majority of Vermonters feel doogie has proven himself desperately in need of adult supervision.

That will be remedied in November.

Always a pleasure.
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