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9.14.2009

 

VtBuzz: on ending the spoiler squabble, tea parties and health reform

Nobody’s a spoiler under this scenario

Amidst all the talk about who is running for what as a result of Gov. Jim Douglas’ decision not to run for re-election, there were some missing voices — Progressives.
Rep. David Zuckerman, P-Burlington, took time from the harvest at his farm to give voice to his political aspirations. He’s considering a run for lieutenant governor or state senator from Chittenden County.

Here’s the twist. If he runs for lieutenant governor, he would run in the Democratic primary.
Before Douglas dropped his political bombshell, Zuckerman said he was only thinking about a senate run. Now he, like about everyone else with political ambitions, is thinking bigger.
Zuckerman said running in the Democratic primary would be a way to eliminate what he considers a chronically unfair accusation that Progressives who run in statewide races are spoilers. He would use the election system — with its primaries — to solve the dilemma.
“I feel in order to remove the angst of the three-way race, let the voters decide,” Zuckerman said. “I would hope I could earn, have earned the support of Democrats.”

Zuckerman is currently testing the political interest in this idea. “I haven’t heard anyone say if you do that you are selling out the Progressive Party,” he said.

Under the scenario he’s floating, if he won the Democratic primary next September, he would ask Progressive Party members to nominate him at their candidate — assuming someone else wasn’t already running as the Progressive candidate for lieutenant governor. He said he would want to be listed on the ballot as a P/D.

“If I go this route, it would an attempt to build a bridge,” Zuckerman. He would be trying to bridge some of the bad feelings that have developed as Progressives and Democrats have vied for many of the same voters.

Zuckerman said it will be well into October, if not November, before he would make a decision about running for lieutenant governor in 2010. He’s not worried that putting off his decision for the next month would be a disadvantage, he said.

“I think any number of people could jump in during the next eight to ten weeks and I don’t think anyone would have an advantage raising money or building support,” he said.
Nancy Remsen

Tea anyone

Perhaps you heard reports about the Tea Party March in Washington D.C. Tea was served in Vermont, too. Here are some excerpts from an account of Vermont events by Jon Wallace of Rutland, state Tea Party coordinator.

“The rain held off, and even the sun broke through at times on Saturday, Sept. 12, as hundreds of passionate patriots assembled in Manchester, Burlington, St Albans and Rutland for sign-waves and marches. Following the local events, many Tea Partiers hopped in their Tea Party decorated cars, and formed caravans, which then proceeded to Montpelier for the Tea Party 9/12 March.”
Wallace noted the marchers got a surprise when they began assembling on the steps of the Statehouse. A security guard said they couldn’t hold a protest without a permit.

“We are not here protesting, we are here celebrating the United States of America,” Wallace said he replied. Wallace’s account notes that the group stayed put, sang God Bless America, recited the Pledge of Allegiance twice, thanked veterans for their service and got down to talking about the issues that brought many to the rally — health care reform and big government.
Organizers identified two bills pending in the Vermont Legislature that would establish government-run health care which drew crowd disapproval, Wallace reported.

The Tea Party organization is trying to awaken citizens to their responsibility to act.

“The day was a success as there were many new faces,” Wallace said. In contrast to some reports about the palpable anger at the Washington march, Wallace wrote, “The attitude of the crowd was ultimately positive and hopeful. ... Many expressed gratitude to the organizers, for they felt that they now had a way to become politically active. Previously, they felt ideologically isolated, therefore politically frustrated, and disenfranchised and unempowered.”
Nancy Remsen

Reading tea leaves

James Haslam, director of the Vermont Workers’ Center, says Tea Parties are misreading the tea leaves on health care reform — at least in Vermont.

“In 2008, the Vermont Workers’ Center conducted personal interview health care surveys with over 1,500 Vermonters,” he said. The results: “Over 95 percent of those asked believed that health care is a basic human right.”
Nancy Remsen

Checking the pulse of health care reform

So the weekend talk shows in Washington have aired, President Barack Obama has delivered another health care pep talk and Tea Party protesters took to the streets to complain about health care reform.

How does Vermont’s trio in Congress see the chances for health reform now?

Rep. Peter Welch, D-VT: “In his address to Congress last week, President Obama made a strong case for the urgency and necessity of reforming the nation’s health care system. He echoed what I heard from Vermonters throughout August: that Congress must focus on providing security and stability to those who have health insurance and extending access to those who don’t. In the coming weeks, I am optimistic we will pass a bill that will protect families and businesses from insurance company rip-offs, extend coverage to 37 million Americans, and provide more choice to Americans by creating a strong public option.”

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-VT: “As the president mentioned, it is an international embarrassment that the United States remains the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care to all of its people, while spending almost twice as much per capita as most other nations. If we do nothing, as many Republicans suggest, the cost of health care in this country will double in the next eight years. I intend to do all that I can to see that a strong and meaningful health care bill is passed.”

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-VT: “Uneasiness about reform understandably has grown over the last few months while congressional committees have struggled to draft their various proposals. With no complete bill to debate, the discussion has drifted, and some partisans have also stepped into the void to stir people's worst fears. You wouldn't know from the headlines that many of these reforms have had significant support on both sides of the aisle. It's worth keeping in mind that as popular as Social Security and Medicare are today, there was strenuous opposition to them at the time.

“Soon there will be real legislation on the table. That will not completely reset the framework of this debate, but it will help anchor the debate in real facts. That goes as well for the idea of a public option, which I strongly support.

“Health insurance reform would have been done long ago if it were easy. The President says he expects that Congress will pass health insurance reform by the end of this year. That seems like too ambitious a goal to some, but I believe it's a realistic one.”

Dubie as peacemaker?

Some might have expected an announcement last week, but Lt. Gov. Brian Dubie, the Republican to whom other Republicans are deferring before making their own decision on whether to run for governor in 2010, says it will not come until perhaps next week. He’s visiting Alaska this week to see how turbines made by Northern Power Systems of Barre are working.
Dubie indicated last week, however, that his prospective campaign strategy will be to cast himself as the peacemaker at a time when peace needs to be made. (Think budget stalemate, vetoes, veto overrides).

“One thing is clear – the status quo of the relationship between the Legislature and the governor is not acceptable,” he said.

Terri Hallenbeck

Roar of the crowd


From the Free Press online story chat on Auditor Tom Salmon’s switch last week from Democrat to Republican party:

bfpcommenter: “After the past 2-3 sessions I would want to be running as a republican , even in VT. Between Shumlin, Smith, and Symington it will be a wonder if the libs even have a majority in the Statehouse. If they do, we will know for sure that VTer’s vote solely based on party.”

proudvter: “This is all about positioning. Dubie will make a run for Gov. and Tommy will try to jump in Dubie’s LT Gov. seat. Just a guess, but the Dem. side of the house knows there are a number of far left groups that always interfere with the dems trying to get into the Gov’s office. Tommy, being a “conservative dem“ sees his opportunity and I am sure he has talked with Dubie about the future. Just my guess. Any other guesses?”

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Comments:
While Rep. Zuckerman hasn't heard from Progressives that he's "selling out," what is he hearing from the Democrats that he continuously slammed as sell-outs throughout his entire political career?

I'm sure he hopes that he could earn support from Democrats, but I see no evidence that he'll get it...
 
How noble of Mr. Zuckerman to offer to kill two birds with one stone. Perhaps the Republicans can find someone to take on all the other parties and we can have a "simple" election this season.
 
“I feel in order to remove the angst of the three-way race, let the voters decide,” Zuckerman said. “I would hope I could earn, have earned the support of Democrats.”

Earned the support of the Democrats? Um, isn't this the guy who cried and whined and squealed like a stuck pig and accused the Dems of all kinds of bad faith less than a year ago when they ran a candidate (Keesha Ram) in "his" House district? I don't recall him winning any friends in the Dem Party with his attacks at that time.

Isn't this the guy who almost ran as a third-party candidate in 2006 when Peter Welch was in his first race for Congress in a close match with Martha Rainville, and who could have cost the Dems that race, and who only backed out when Sanders told him to?

Earned the Dems support? Hmm.

Just sayin.
 
"Isn't this the guy who almost ran as a third-party candidate"

Hey David, stop ALMOST doing things. You know how upset people get when you "almost" do something. God forbid one actually talks about running for political office and then decides not to. How awful of you and anyone else that thinks of doing that.

What do you think we live in a Democracy or something?
 
Run David Run
 
"Hey David, stop ALMOST doing things. You know how upset people get when you "almost" do something."

No, actually he DID run as a third-party candidate.

He actually DID spend the last 10 years slamming Democrats.

And he actually DID whine and cry and squeal that Democrats had the nerve to run a candidate in his House district.

It's perfectly ok for Dave to spend his career slamming Democrats. But now they should just forget all that and support him in a run for Lt. Gov.

Sure.
 
"No, actually, he did run as a third party candidate."

He was, however, the incumbent as was Chris Pearson. Ms.Ram was the third left-of-center candidate to enter the race and, therefore, the "spoiler," if there was one.


Zuckerman was re-elected as the preferred candidate overall also.

Facts are facts, inconvenient sometimes, but nonetheless facts.
 
I hope David Zuckerman is a candidate for Lt. Gov. He can run as a Democrat or a Progressive - it would be great!
 
"He was, however, the incumbent as was Chris Pearson. Ms.Ram was the third left-of-center candidate to enter the race and, therefore, the "spoiler," if there was one."

No, I was talking about his run for Congress. In that race, he was the spoiler.

Second, whether or not he was the "incumbent" in the race for his House seat, he simply had no business whining and crying about another left-wing candidate, Keesha Ram, running for office, and trying to keep her out of the race. Because he himself was the Keesha Ram when he ran against Sandy Baird years ago.
 
And the all anonymous slime, all the time format lives on.
 
Sure, Jeff. Don't add anything substantive, or debate the issues, just hurl insults, as usual.
 
"...he himself was the Keesha Ram..."

No. The circumstances were different. Ms Ram was a recently graduated UVM student from Southern California who remained here and won on the very large number of votes cast by UVM students who went to the polls to support their national candidate for president and knew nothing of the local political situation. They voted for her because she was UVM.
 
It's sad when party affiliation is more important than the good of the people one is supposed to be serving.
People with common goals should unite behind the strongest candidate.
 
"No. The circumstances were different. Ms Ram was a recently graduated UVM student from Southern California who remained here and won on the very large number of votes cast by UVM students who went to the polls to support their national candidate for president and knew nothing of the local political situation. They voted for her because she was UVM."

Nice rationalization, Dave. You always seem to have a reason why you should run against liberal incumbents, but nobody should run against you.

How convenient.
 
As Ed Adrian also commented. I never blog under an anonymous name. So please do not try to attribute others comments to me.

I appreciate all of the comments and flow here. But it would be much more civil if folks who write under "anonymous" would actually take credit for their own writing.
 
"Nice rationalization...."

Busloads of UVM students were brought to the polls for the election last fall and their votes did make a significant difference in local races as well.

Again, facts are facts, like them or not.

Zuckerman still won--that's what is the real problem for you.
 
"Busloads of UVM students were brought to the polls for the election last fall and their votes did make a significant difference in local races as well."

So? When Zuckerman first ran for State Rep. he practically lived on the UVM campus.

It was fine for Brookline Dave to turn that district into a UVM voting machine but not Keesha Ram?
 
"Zuckerman still won--that's what is the real problem for you."

And Pearson lost--that's what is the real problem for you.
 
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