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12.05.2008

 

This couple not ready to marry

This didn’t come up until near the end of last night’s forum, but I think it’s key to the question of whether Vermont’s Progressives and Democrats should work more closely together: Prog +
Dem does not necessarily equal victory.

Put another way: 21+21=42.

Independent/Progressive Anthony Pollina won 21 percent of the vote in this year’s gubernatorial race. Democrat Gaye Symington won 21 percent. Together they don’t add up to enough to beat Republican Jim Douglas, who won 55 percent. So if the goal of the Progs/Dems is to beat the Republicans, will they achieve that by working together? I don’t think so.

For starters, other than defeating Republicans, the two parties don’t always have the same goals. They agree on a lot of issues, but they have some real differences. That became clear at last night’s forum.

Take the size of the tent. Dems have a big one. Progs a little one. Both on purpose. Progressive Rep. David Zuckerman accused the Dems of being willing to accept anybody – pro or anti-choice, for example. Burlington City Democratic Chairman Jake Perkinson suggested the Progs focus on special interests at the expense of taking on the full gamut of public policy.

There are other differences.

Democratic Rep. Johanna Donovan argued that Dems are more realistic. They move issues, even if it means compromise, because they see value in taking steps. Think Catamount. Progressive Burlington City Councilor Jane Knodell said the Progs’ role is to generate innovative ideas. She cited use of land trusts for affordable housing.

All four panel members concede they are fairly far left on the political spectrum. What was missing from Thursday’s debate was a more centrist Democrat and what was telling was that no one at the debate seemed to care about that.

How eager would those centrists be to have the Democratic Party lock arms with the Progs? When the sounds of kumbaya start coming out, you might expect centrists to grow squeamish. What are they going to do then? Vote Republican.

It could be the quickest way to help rejuvenate the Republican Party in Vermont.

If you look at Thursday’s debate as one of several pre-marital counseling sessions between the Progs and the Dems, I think you come away thinking the counselor is going to advise this couple to think twice about tying any knots.

(Thanks to Seven Days for hosting it and to Seven Days blogger Cathy Resmer for linking to our blog during the event. Perhaps it was a lack of dexterity on my part but I didn’t manage to check in on their blogging while I was doing my blogging.)

- Terri Hallenbeck

Comments:
They aren't even ready to makeout in the back seat.
 
I know anti-Douglas people who didn't vote for Symington or Pollina because they were so annoyed with both. I really believe that one viable, united campaign could get more than 42%. And most people I have talked to believe the same thing...
 
agreed on that part ... but who is that viable candidate?
 
The Dems are less likely to compromise with the current leadership. Note the choice of Repubspeak: party of "special interests" to describe the more left-leaning Progressives.
 
While the Dem and Prog elite egos continue to play nasty together in the sandbox, the rest of Vermont (D's and P's both) are wondering how they are going to pay their bills and heat their homes. Why not agree to join forces on a single issue (like, say, um, the economy) and prove that the coalition can work together to get policy enacted?

I'd hide the egos though. Working people have no time to watch trust funders posture.
 
That last sentence isn't exactly true. I mean, we've been watching Jim Douglas posture for the better part of a decade.
 
The Dems are the most viable option to put the end to the doogie/dubie debacle.

Dems already control the Legislature and all but the top two statewide offices.

Vermont went 2-1 for Obama. This is a Blue State that's grows more blue by the day.

Progs have to look in the mirror and decide whether they want to keep electing gops or to be part of the solution.
 
"What was missing from Thursday’s debate was a more centrist Democrat and what was telling was that no one at the debate seemed to care about that.
How eager would those centrists be to have the Democratic Party lock arms with the Progs?"

Exactly.

The Dem leadership in Vermont is already too far to the Left, and Gov. Douglas' easy victories over Racine, Clavelle, Parker, Symington, and Pollina demonstrates that most Vermonters won't elect an avowed Leftist to be their Governor. If the Dem leadership "locks arms" with the Progs, many centrist Dems who've been quietly tolerating the anti-business excesses of the Party leaders will make it official and leave the Party.
 
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The Democratic and Republican Parties are part of the same disease, and the Progressive Party is the cure.

Symington was a lousy candidate, Pollina or not.

Pollina did a lousy job too!

If D's really want to do this... pick a progressive D who can actually campaign like they mean it! Ed Flanagan? Would work for this me....
 
Anonymous...

"The Democratic and Republican Parties are part of the same disease, and the Progressive Party is the cure."

As I recall, that's more or less what Ralph Nader said a little over eight years ago.

Apart from bringin' a smile to the scum vote and plungin' the Country and the World into eight years of darkness that are probably gonna take another decade or so and a New, New Deal to get us out of, how'd that work out?

Now ya wanna keep doin' the same thing to Vermont with Pollina and the doogie/dubie debacle.

Thanks anyway, pal, but I'll pass.

"Symington was a lousy candidate, Pollina or not.

Pollina did a lousy job too!"

No kiddin'. Pollina's assistance in lettin' doogie pull the usual gop-slime divide and conquer routine really helped the cause, now didn't it, little fella?

"If D's really want to do this... pick a progressive D who can actually campaign like they mean it! Ed Flanagan? Would work for this me...."

He'd work just fine for the doogie/dubie debacle and whatever rovesputin clone Vermont's gop-slime brigade picks to replace to replace mr roeper, too.

Ya don't see take back vermunt/scum vote trash pittin' the lunatic-fringe likes of nancy sheltra or greg parke against doogie because he's too moderate, do ya?

Gops may be ignorant trash, but they're not suicidally stupid and counterproductive like Progs are.

Viability. It's not just for gops any more, little fella.
 
In my opinion, the Republican Party, or at least the moderates in it, are probably watching this theater with glee.

While the Progs and Green Mountain Daily wing of the Democratic Party keep pulling the VDP further left and fighting over who are the "true believers" the Republicans just keep doing the same math Terri did: 21 plus 21 equals 42 percent.

The VTGOP has to contend with its share of far-right idealogues, e.g. the Ropers, Beaudrys, some of the Vermont Tiger crowd, etc. but they don't let them drive the bus.
 
Finally some sanity
 
Shap Smith certainly ain't no liberal.
 
Well, Roper's the Party chair. So he's kinda driving the bus. Just wondering who you had in mind in the Vermont Tiger crowd?
 
Roper may be party chair, but I doubt if he has much say in statewide strategy or if Douglas or Dubie consults him much on their campaigns or policy issues. He's more like the guy who takes the tickets than the driver.

Idealogues at the Tiger? I guess off the top of my head Greg Decker and Tom Licata come to mind. Purists on free-market economics but both got waxed at the polls running on that platform. Wonder if they have a new appreciation for what it takes to win an election in Vermont?
 
According to "Independent Vermonter", the party chair isn't central to statewide strategy ... that's the craziest thing I've heard here that wasn't said by Jeff Cooper.
 
Anonymous...

Well, Roper's the Party chair. So he's kinda driving the bus. Just wondering who you had in mind in the Vermont Tiger crowd?

Well, for openers, there' nro, neocon-nitwit geoff norman, emerson "whatever the Vermont business round-table says" lynn who run and/or regularly spew the psychotic slop they call content to say nothin' of Stewart Ledbetter whose journalistic credentials appear to consist solely of the fact that his daddy got thumped by Leahy a generation ago and couldn't be more in the tank for doogie if he was on the payroll who puts them on VTW as if they have somethin' to say in the first place.

Of course, who'd WGOP Channel 3, Freeps, TA/RH and most every other paper and media outlet in Vermont endorse this past election season.

Feel free to toss in doogie-double Mark Johnson who turns his every appearance/interview/commentary with/on the doogster into an episode of the Patty Duke Show.

Clearly, they complete each other.

Then, of course, there's clueless mclaughry who thinks gravity needs more study before it's considered a law and the jury's still out on the merits of Galileo and Copernicus and this whole Earth is round and it revolves around the Sun thing.

How many do ya need?
 
Anonymous...

"According to "Independent Vermonter", the party chair isn't central to statewide strategy ... that's the craziest thing I've heard here that wasn't said by Jeff Cooper."

What's the matter, little nameless-nitwit fella. Did ya forget the address and phone?

Who was my Kindergarten Teacher? What was my first dog's name and what breed was she?

See if ya can spell it properly and keep your streak in that area alive.

Maybe ya can make me manage to forget that ya managed to misspell misspelling the other day and that you'd be more than happy to reveal your identity, but it keeps slippin' your mind and out through your ears when ya tilt your head to the side.

Then, of course, there's that whole ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis thing ya got goin' on, little fella.

Always a pleasure.
 
Independent Vermonter said...

"Roper may be party chair, but I doubt if he has much say in statewide strategy or if Douglas or Dubie consults him much on their campaigns or policy issues. He's more like the guy who takes the tickets than the driver."

Indy, you are the gift that keeps on givin'.

Are ya gonna tell me that Brady never talks to Bellichick or that Terry Francona is just some guy they let wear a uniform, fill out the lineup card and take the occasional nap in the dugout and never talks to the Sox players now, too!

He helps doogie keep his war chest stuffed and preserve the illusion that he knows what he's doing or gives a damn about Vermont.

As for winning elections. Outside of keepin' the doogie/dubie debacle afloat, he's ridin' the crest of a slump.

It's rare that you see a gop that incompetent who hasn't been called up to the bush leagues by now.

Looks like he's missed his shot at the Show.

Bummer.
 
"Feel free to toss in doogie-double Mark Johnson who turns his every appearance/interview/commentary with/on the doogster into an episode of the Patty Duke Show."

Patty Duke Show? You're dating yourself JW.

It's a good first step.
 
Anonymous said...

"Patty Duke Show? You're dating yourself JW.

It's a good first step."

In other words, you're still nameless, caseless and clueless.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

Always a pleasure.
 
So, anyway, Independent Vermonter, I'd say that the dominant politics in Vermont has taken such a left turn that moderates have become very conservative looking. That being said, there are lots of you independent Vermonters. (44 percent, according to WCAX's exit poll.) Just not so much in the blogosphere. Right now, largely because of Bush's unpopularity and Obama's popularity, most of the independent Vermonters are center-left. Fair statement?
 
Ah. All this just since 12:40 yesterday:

scum vote
gop-slime
little fella
Vermont's gop-slime brigade
take back vermunt/scum vote trash
lunatic-fringe
Gops may be ignorant trash
little fella
spew the psychotic slop
clueless
little nameless-nitwit fella
ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis
little fella
you're still nameless, caseless and clueless
little fella
 
"Shap Smith certainly ain't no liberal."

Wha? He's very liberal. He backed and defended Gaye Symington on every single thing she did.
 
Anonymous...

""Shap Smith certainly ain't no liberal.""

"Wha? He's very liberal. He backed and defended Gaye Symington on every single thing she did."

So, what you're sayin' is that he's smart, knows right from wrong and competence from doogieism.

Yeah, good thing he's a Dem. He'd go nowhere as a gop.

Remind me again how many members of the gop-slime brigade voted against doogie's vetoes, little fella.

How many seats did they pick up this trip?

Always a pleasure.
 
Um, the same Gaye Symington who you are now saying was a weak candidate for Governor?

No, backing Gaye on everything she did as Speaker does not necessarily make him smart, etc. she did a lot of dumb things as Speaker.
 
Anonymous..

"Um, the same Gaye Symington who you are now saying was a weak candidate for Governor?"

Yeah, that'd be the one, little fella.

"No, backing Gaye on everything she did as Speaker does not necessarily make him smart, etc. she did a lot of dumb things as Speaker."

Yeah, so many that you're clearly hard-pressed to name one.

She let herself get rolled and taken advantage of by doogie. Shap Smith won't make that mistake.

Always a pleasure.
 
This is interesting stuff. I hope we can discuss it without the name calling. So far, I haven't been involved in this thread. I hesitate to give my name because I am in a sensitive position.

Symington got rolled and taken advantage, in my view, by the NEA over Act 82. It was a compromise presented to her and Douglas by Shumlin/Iluzzi. It wasn't what each wanted, but they gave their word to support it. Then NEA gets her to do a complete flip flop. And then doesn't endorse her!
 
Anonymous...

"This is interesting stuff. I hope we can discuss it without the name calling. So far, I haven't been involved in this thread. I hesitate to give my name because I am in a sensitive position."

I don't give a damn if ya call yourself Roy Rogers or Dale Evans, pal. Just don't post as anonymous and tell me this is the first time you've ever posted here, 'cause I'm not buyin' it for a second.

Fine. Let's see if you can hold up your end and put forth an argument based on fact and evidence.

"Symington got rolled and taken advantage, in my view, by the NEA over Act 82. It was a compromise presented to her and Douglas by Shumlin/Iluzzi."

In other words, despite the fact that Shumlin led and continues to lead a 23-7 Senate with an overwhelming Dem majority, you're sayin' Symington was presented the product of a bipartisan compromise.

Shocking.

"It wasn't what each wanted, but they gave their word to support it. Then NEA gets her to do a complete flip flop. And then doesn't endorse her!"

Compromise, by definition, means that both/all parties didn't get everything they wanted, but, at the end of the day, it was the best deal they could get.

Most legislation is a product of compromise.

The NEA Leadership backed the wrong horse. As long as Pollina's in the picture, this state will continue to be held hostage by the tyranny of an incompetent-trash gop-slime administration that keeps proving they haven't got a case or a clue and don't know what the hell they're doing.

I never doubted it for a second.

Gops always run on a platform of government being the problem only to get themselves elected and prove their point.

Government isn't the problem. The doogie/dubie debacle and incompetent-trash, gop-slime government in general is the problem.

Recently, The Feds finally made it official that this country's economy has been in recession for at least a year now.

The US lost over 500,000 jobs in November alone. That's the worst loss in 34 years when Nixon left Ford holding the bag for his corruption and cluelessness.

The US has lost almost 2 million jobs since the beginning of 2008 and it's a safe bet that we'll surpass that and more by the end of the year.

We haven't seen job losses like that since the days of Herbert Hoover.

This is the first time we've experienced four consecutive quarters of negative economic growth since the the 16-month slump that ended in November 1982 when reagan was in office.

It's the worst recession since WWII, clueless mcsame and the administration were claiming that the "fundamentals of the economy continued to remain strong" less than three months ago.

Ditto for doogie.

Are you seriously gonna try and tell me that nobody in bushworld or doogieville saw this comin'?

They're either lyin' scum, too dumb to live or both.

You're up.
 
J.W., you challenged someone on this site to name a single time when Symington did something dumb. I accepted the challenge on that person's behalf and pointed out the Act 82 flip flop. In your lengthy last comment, I don't see where you contested that being a stupid move.

Symington didn't have a lot of time to consider the two-vote thing, the eleventh hour brainchild of Illuzzi, a Republican senator, as the 2007 session was coming to a close. But she insisted throughout the summer and fall that she was going to stick to her word. Then, all of a sudden, in the 2008 session, she reversed herself. She basically adopted VTNEA's talking points, that voters were too stupid to handle two votes. Then she offered up nothing on education finance reform, which she had promised a year earlier. Shumlin stuck to his word. Symington looked like a tool of Vermont-NEA. Maybe they backed the wrong horse. But she was going to be their horse, until she threw a shoe in the debate they sponsored.

Calling a veto override vote when not everyone could make it wasn't exactly a stroke of genius either.
 
J.W., you challenged someone on this site to name a single time when Symington did something dumb. I accepted the challenge on that person's behalf and pointed out the Act 82 flip flop. In your lengthy last comment, I don't see where you contested that being a stupid move.

Symington didn't have a lot of time to consider the two-vote thing, the eleventh hour brainchild of Illuzzi, a Republican senator, as the 2007 session was coming to a close. But she insisted throughout the summer and fall that she was going to stick to her word. Then, all of a sudden, in the 2008 session, she reversed herself. She basically adopted VTNEA's talking points, that voters were too stupid to handle two votes. Then she offered up nothing on education finance reform, which she had promised a year earlier. Shumlin stuck to his word. Symington looked like a tool of Vermont-NEA. Maybe they backed the wrong horse. But she was going to be their horse, until she threw a shoe in the debate they sponsored.

Calling a veto override vote when not everyone could make it wasn't exactly a stroke of genius either.
 
To say the least! Lets move on.
 
I'll add a few more dumb-ass ideas to her appalling education funding flip-flop:

1. deciding that the trimming of dog's ears was enough of a crisis in Vermont to devote precious legislative time to it.

2. allowing dirty smelly impeachment lunatics to take over the State House

3. allowing herself to be talked into a last-minute slam tax bill against Vt Yankee by Shumlin, and then not mustering the votes to override the Gov's veto of that bill.

4. giving a Prog the Ag Committee chairmanship, which he then used as a platform for Prog Party aggrandizement at the expense of the Dems.
 
5. in 4 years as Speaker, doing absolutely nothing to resolve the education/funding property tax problem, but finding the time to allow the Statehouse to be used as a jumbotron for an Al "hypocrite" Gore speech on global warming.
 
Gaye Symington was a dismal candidate, an ineffective Speaker, and a mediocre legislator at best. OK. Agreed.

Anthony Pollina was an unsettlingly bad candidate this time around. I think he's done for now too.

They both had a right to run for Governor, as did several other people who ran for minor parties. If anyone had run a strong candidate, they would have been able to at least come close or defeated Douglas. The ONLY reason no one else won is because they sucked as candidates and campaigners, not because Pollina ran or Symington ran (although, given her obvious lack of passion, one has to wonder why she ran).

If your candidate was a good choice, they could win no matter who else is about. Neither of these clowns could pull it off.

So, the question still stands: who, from ANY party or none, can D's a P's get behind to take on Douglas, Dubie, or whoever is running for Governor on the R ticket?

Coop? Got a realistic suggestion?
 
"Coop? Got a realistic suggestion?"

Yeah, he does: jwcoop.
 
Anonymous...

"Gaye Symington was a dismal candidate, an ineffective Speaker, and a mediocre legislator at best. OK. Agreed."

We are, eh? Nice try, little fella.

She was a poor candidate. As Speaker, she gets mixed reviews.

I don't live in her district so I have no firsthand knowledge of her history as legislator, but she stepped down of her own accord after serving a decade or so and there's no reason to believe that she wouldn't have been reelected to the House had she run again.

Clearly, her constituents liked her performance enough to keep sending her back to the legislature and her colleagues thought enough of her to elect her Speaker, so, in view of the fact that you've offered your usual bupkis in support of your latest load of nameless-nitwit nonsense, at worst, the jury's still out on her performance as Speaker.

"Anthony Pollina was an unsettlingly bad candidate this time around. I think he's done for now too."

Let's hope so. The only thing he's ever done is gum up the works and create or extend the careers of incompetent gop trash.

If he wants to serve, let him run for a legislative seat and take his chances there.

Not bein' a gop, I wouldn't put a dime on him.

"They both had a right to run for Governor, as did several other people who ran for minor parties."

Your grasp of the obvious remains as firm as ever, little fella. It's 12:40AM. Ya gonna tell me it's dark out now, too, nitwit.

"If anyone had run a strong candidate, they would have been able to at least come close or defeated Douglas."

All things being equal, in a two-person race with both candidates properly funded, that's probably true nine times outta ten.

This was a three-person race, doogie outspent both his competitors combined by a wide margin and he did nothing but trash Symington from day one while ignoring Pollina 'til the end of the campaign while the Freeps Folks and the rest of the so-called liberal media sat on his mileagage malfeasance for two weeks.

Of course, given the facts, it's not like he could brag about his record of achievment

Spare me the "they both got 21 percent" slop.

He took a helluva lot more votes away from her than she took from him and with him in the race, she couldn't raise any money.

Even Dean wan't gonna give her DNC funds with him in the race, so neither one of them got off the ground.

Of course, without Pollina gummin' up the works, Spaulding may well have run and won this trip given his own strengths as a candidate, Obama's showing and the Dems winning all other statewide offices and not only holding their legislative majorities, but increasing them, there's plenty of reason to question doogie's winning this trip.

After all, Obama won by a much larger margin than doogie did.

Unlike shrub and the gops, doogie managed to fool enough of the people to win another shot before the wheels fell off his economy.

His record speaks for itself, and given the reality of the economy, the coming holiday season and the fact that things will get worse before they get better, buyer's remorse will have set in before he's sworn in.

He'll be lucky to stay in the 40 percent approval rating range on average and he may well be in the shrub cellar two years from now.

Count on it.

As for dubie, gimme a break. He's not just a hack, he's a wacko, to boot.

His warmed-over take back vermunt trash ain't gonna sell here. That psychotic slop didn't fly a decade ago and Vermont's bluer now than it was then.

His name may not be Peter but he's risen to his level of incompetence.

The more people see him, the less they like him.

After this term, he's gonna have to look for work outside of Vermont on his own dime.

So, the question still stands: who, from ANY party or none, can D's a P's get behind to take on Douglas, Dubie, or whoever is running for Governor on the R ticket?

Coop? Got a realistic suggestion?"

Same answer I've been givin' since I got here, little nameless-nitwit fella.

Pollina's gotta stop gummin' up the works with his vanity/insanity campaigns, the Progs have gotta wake up, smell the gop slop, get real, put Vermont before their egos, back the Dems and Jeb Spaulding or whoever wins the nomination and set about ridding Vermont of the scourge and the stench of the doogie/dubie debacle in particular and gop-slimedom in general.

Again, just which part of that is eludin' your ignorant anonymous ass, little factose-intolerant fella?
 
Anonymous said...

"J.W., you challenged someone on this site to name a single time when Symington did something dumb."

I did, eh? Feel free to point out just where and when I said that, little fella.

Nice try.

Actually, what I said was that you nameless nitwits always accuse her and Shumlin of being incompetent idiots without ever citing any specific examples of just why.

Big difference, little factose-intolerant fella.

Again, they weren't elected to rubber-stamp doogie's delusional dreck. That's not their job.

Again, if Vermont wanted doogie to have an incompetent-trash gop-slime, rubber-stamp legislature, Walt Freed or some other gop slimeball would still be Speaker and the Senate would have more than seven gops in it.

We don't. He's not. They don't.

Just which part of that is givin' you trouble, little fella.

"I accepted the challenge on that person's behalf and pointed out the Act 82 flip flop. In your lengthy last comment, I don't see where you contested that being a stupid move."

Ah, so your ignorant anonymous ass came to their ignorant anonymous ass's defense, eh? That's mighty sweet of ya, sport.

That's really layin' it on the line, little nameless-nitwit fella.

Nice try, knucklehead. I'm still not seein' where ya made that case, little fella.

It's up to you to make your case, little fella. If you can't muster that up, and clearly you can't, there's nothin' to defend.

Always a pleasure.
 
"Clearly, her constituents liked her performance enough to keep sending her back to the legislature"

That doesn't mean squat about her quality. Constituents re-elect their lousy state reps all the time. Vince Illuzzi and Duncan Kilmartin come readily to mind.
 
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"As Speaker, she gets mixed reviews"

No she doesn't; she sucked.

"at worst, the jury's still out on her performance as Speaker."

Not it's not, she sucked.
 
""No, backing Gaye on everything she did as Speaker does not necessarily make him smart, etc. she did a lot of dumb things as Speaker."

Yeah, so many that you're clearly hard-pressed to name one.""

The other poster named her flip-flop on Act 82, and I gave 5 other examples of her incompetence as Speaker. You haven't contested any of them.
 
Anonymous said...

""No, backing Gaye on everything she did as Speaker does not necessarily make him smart, etc. she did a lot of dumb things as Speaker.""

Yeah, so many that you're clearly hard-pressed to name one.""

"The other poster named her flip-flop on Act 82, and I gave 5 other examples of her incompetence as Speaker. You haven't contested any of them."

Ah, so "the other poster mentioned her flip-flop on Act 82 and you gave five examples....", eh?

And again, I'll ask you, what's to contest, little clueless-cretin fella?

Leaving aside the fact that "flip-flop" is merely the other side of your ignorant anonymous ass's clueless-cretin characterization of her actions, little factose-intolerant fella, your "examples" such as:

"1. deciding that the trimming of dog's ears was enough of a crisis in Vermont to devote precious legislative time to it.

2. allowing dirty smelly impeachment lunatics to take over the State House

3. allowing herself to be talked into a last-minute slam tax bill against Vt Yankee by Shumlin, and then not mustering the votes to override the Gov's veto of that bill.

4. giving a Prog the Ag Committee chairmanship, which he then used as a platform for Prog Party aggrandizement at the expense of the Dems."

Along with this brain-dead bupkis bounced straight from the back of the schmuck truck, are little more than more of the lunatic-fringe same.

""As Speaker, she gets mixed reviews""

"No she doesn't; she sucked."

""at worst, the jury's still out on her performance as Speaker.""

Not it's not, she sucked."

In short, to paraphrase the last bit of nameless-nitwit nonsense which may or may have originated from your ignorant anonymous ass, your "examples" suck, schmuck.

Over the course of the past 13 months, little factose-intolerant/nameless-nitwit fella, you and your coalition of the clueless compatriots have done nothing but tell me how much you love shrub and the doogie/dubie debacle and you hate Symington, Shumlin, Leahy, Sanders, Welch, Clinton and Obama.

SFW. Your ignorant anonymous trash opinions are not evidence, little fella. They're merely your ignorant anonymous trash opinions.

"Calling a veto override vote when not everyone could make it wasn't exactly a stroke of genius either."

Sure. Almost as dumb as the schmuck who vetoed the legislation in the first place.

Get your ignorant anonymous ass a case, a clue and something to contest and we'll talk, little fella.

Always a pleasure.
 
Nice rant, but you completely failed to address why those 6 examples weren't examples of her incompetence.

So shut up. You have absolutely nothing of substance to say on any topic except to spew your cut-and-paste insults.
 
Anonymous said...

"Nice rant, but you completely failed to address why those 6 examples weren't examples of her incompetence."

Nice try, little consistently-confused, clueless-cretin fella, but if you can't establish anything, there's nothin' to address or defend.

Then again, 13 months down the road and the only thing your sorry butt has been able to prove, little factose-intolerant fella, is that ya can't prove anything and that you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis.

I never doubted ya for a second, schmuck. Your clueless-cretin credentials and brain-dead bona fides have always remained impeccable, little fella.

Always a pleasure.
 
Anonymous said...

""Clearly, her constituents liked her performance enough to keep sending her back to the legislature""

"That doesn't mean squat about her quality. Constituents re-elect their lousy state reps all the time. Vince Illuzzi and Duncan Kilmartin come readily to mind."

Actually, ya just might have a point there in spite of yourself, little fella.

Come to think of it, that would explain the third encore for the doogie/dubie debacle.

Frankly, given their dismal performance, record and act, it's the only thing that does.

Congrats, little fella. My favorite little blind pig just found himself and acorn and had their broken clock moment of the day. Keep up the good work.

Always a pleasure.
 
little consistently-confused, clueless-cretin fella
your sorry butt
little factose-intolerant fella
you're still dumb
you're still scum
your ignorant anonymous ass
still got bupkis
schmuck
clueless-cretin credentials
brain-dead
little fella
 
""Nice rant, but you completely failed to address why those 6 examples weren't examples of her incompetence."

Nice try, little consistently-confused, clueless-cretin fella, but if you can't establish anything, there's nothin' to address or defend."

Further avoidance. You're exposed as a dishonest fraud.

Why don't you explain why those 6 examples of Gaye's incompetence are not examples of her incompetence?
 
Anonymous

"Nice rant, but you completely failed to address why those 6 examples weren't examples of her incompetence."

Nice try, little consistently-confused, clueless-cretin fella, but if you can't establish anything, there's nothin' to address or defend.

You really do need to see somebody about these evidentiary delusions of yours, little fella.

The only thing "She sucked" is evidence of is your continued inability to come up with any evidence in support of your psychotic slop and cough up a case or a clue.

Still, ya might be on to somethin' with that whole doogie gettin' reelected "doesn't mean squat about his quality" thing, little fella

Clearly, there's no other explanation for it.

Always a pleasure.
 
Coopie, you really are deluded if you think the usual cast of characters in the Democratic Party in VT are capable of winning "if only Pollina stepped out of the way". Racine and Spaulding are charisma-free candidates, and Deb Markowitz is just a lightweight, which is a shame since she would actually be more palatable to the Progressive Party.

Where are the bold leaders in the VT Democratic Party? How did we end up with placeholders like Welch? I know nature abhors a vacuum, but wow.
 
Anonymous...

"Where are the bold leaders in the VT Democratic Party? How did we end up with placeholders like Welch?"

"Placeholders" like Welch, eh, little factose-intolerant fella?

Leaving aside the fact that you've just attempted to make your latest delusional-dreck point about the 2010 Governor's Race by citing Vermont's sitting Democratic Congressman who was just overwhelmingly reelected as the VT gops could come up with no better nominee to challenge Democratic incumbent Congressman Peter Welch than Democratic incumbent Congressman Peter Welch.

Well played, little nameless-nitwit fella. Well played.

"I know nature abhors a vacuum, but wow."

Actually, given the one between your ears, evidently, they don't bother her as much as they used to, little fella.

Best of luck with your continuing efforts to woo Terri, little fella.

Always a pleasure.
 
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