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10.10.2008

 

Poll anyone?

The results of that Rasmussen poll that co-worker Candy Page told you about earlier in the week are in.

And they are confusing - in a way that means you should not take them to any bank, whether it's a faltering bank or a really upstanding one.

Let's put it this way: Democrat Gaye Symington is discounting the results entirely. Republican Jim Douglas is pretty much discounting it and independent Anthony Pollina is trumpeting one part of it while disregarding another.

Rasmussen, who has not returned calls seeking clarity, seems to be saying that if you asked people whether they'd vote for Douglas, Symington or Pollina they results would be:

Douglas 45 percent
Symington 20 percent
Pollina 25 percent

That's the part Pollina's people like a lot. Rasmussen says, however, that another 19 percent say they could end up voting for Symington. And that Pollina could get anywhere from 4-25 percent of the vote. That's a rather large spread.

If you asked people whether they'd vote for Douglas or Symington (leaving Pollina out as they did when they made the first round of calls) the results would be:

Douglas 53 percent
Symington 39 percent

I don't understand why Rasmussen polled without Pollina in the race, unless they know something he hasn't told us. Or unless they didn't really know what was going on in Vermont.

Douglas campaign manager Dennise Casey said their internal polls always show him running stronger than the public polls, though she wasn't sharing her poll results.

- Terri Hallenbeck

Comments:
Tony always comes in third.

This time will be no different.

Take THAT to the bank.
 
Yes this time it will be different, because he will come in First. People are tired of the Two-party bailout the rich system.

Pollina supports universal health care and dental care.Pollina supports investing in Vermont.
Pollina supports Vermont Farmers, Workers and Educators.

Everyday, people are waking up to the reality that Pollina is leading Vermont away from the Global-Wall Street economy, and back to a Vermont based economy.

Vote Pollina for change
 
Yeah his $6,000 is really going to take him far.

I agree with you, Terri, these poll results make absolutely no sense. I'll go with the Channel 3 poll numbers. They make more sense. Plus, I think we need one or two other polls to show how this race is going to shape out.

Too many unanswered questions. I'm voting for Douglas but I don't think this poll passes muster.

I also think that Symington will do better than Pollina.
 
This poll is BS.

There is no way that Pollina is ahead of Symington. He hasn't done any TV ads or radio ads. He has no infrastructure.

Take this poll with a grain of salt.
 
????????????????????

yeah right. Symington is not in third. give me a break.
 
Vermonters have said it over and over and over again.

They don't want Pollina in office.

He isn't trustworthy.

He isn't bright.

He can't manage money.

He hasn't done anything.

He will come in third (again).

His campaign isn't viable -- it's just 10 guys on the internet who couldn't get laid in college & who get their thrills by pretending that they are part of the counter culture. Go back to playing with your model cars, guys. This campaign isn't going anywhere.

Let's stop pretending that there is any question: Tony will come in third (again).
 
Have you heard Symington talk? There's a reason she's in third. The look on her face at the debate tonight sure made her seem to take the poll seriously. How come when your candidate is polling badly, the poll is bad? Get a frigging candidate!
 
Finally see results that are closer to the reality I live. Most of my friends are voting for Pollina, a few are still convinced the "Entergy Nuclear will pay for the clean up; they told us they would," Governor. Sorry Ms. Symington; speaking is a big part of the job and you just don't cut it. This time the people will win.
 
I know a lot of people who are voting for Pollina too. If these numbers are correct, it shows that Vermont really still is the Vermont that will vote for a candidate who isn't status quo. Gives me hope anyway.
 
Picture a Governor Pollina and the same dunces running the House and Senate. Question: is there anyone that can tell me where (a) the money comes from to run the state (b) where the energy comes from to power businesses and homes in the state?

Please no Goddard-college-student answers like "dude, we'll all have little windmills and teeny dams in our back yards and grow our own smokin' and eatin' stuff".
 
Taxing marijuana may be what saves the U.S. economy. Think about the money to be made there.
 
Anonymous said...

"Tony always comes in third.

This time will be no different.

Take THAT to the bank."

Doogie will be only too happy to. He knows Pollina's his only hope of keepin' his incompetent ass afloat in his continuing efforts to drown Vermont.
 
Gee, tough break for psycho Sarah.

Then again, she's been afforded the rare chance to lose an election, get impeached and lose a civil suit in the same year.

Bummer.

That's one hell of a trifecta to hit.

Congrats. You've come a long way, boneheaded baby.

Always a pleasure.
 
I'll bet Sarah could shoot, gut, and skin jw in less than a minute.
 
It would be messy- lot's of BS!
 
The reason Dennise Casey is not revealing their internal poll is that Douglas is very nervous - why else would he be attacking Symington, ignoring Pollina, and not discussing teh issues.
 
Anonymous said...

"It would be messy- lot's of BS!"

Which would leave it cleaner than this joint with all the ignorant anonymous gop-slop trash you loons have strewn from hell to breakfast as me dear departed mother-in-law used to say, little fraudulent fella.

".."lot's" of BS", eh?

Oy, Gevalt! What a putz.

It's a given that your ignorant anonymous asses ain't gonna have a case or a clue, but, "lot's".

C'mon. You loons can't manage to spell "lots", for puck sake! It's four fookin' letters, schmuck.

Tell me, do the inflatable mothers-in-law of nameless-nitwit nation give you clueless-cretins the business or can't ya hear 'em over the giant sucking sound generated by the sound of your dimwitted, delusional-dreck "arguments" losing air and altitude, little fella.

Try and come up with somethin' more than misspelled malarkey from ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis for a change, little fella.

Always a treasure. Always a pleasure.
 
Anonymous said...

"The reason Dennise Casey is not revealing their internal poll is that Douglas is very nervous - why else would he be attacking Symington, ignoring Pollina, and not discussing teh issues."

For the same reason that clueless mcsame and gops from coast to coast don't discuss the issues.

Gops know that if their campaigns become about the issues, they're toast.

They're dumb, they're scum and they got bupkis, but even incompetent gop-scum possess a survival instinct.

Gee, that's a shame about psycho-sarah and the "first dude". By the time Monaghan is done with his civil suit and their possessions and trophies go the way of OJ's Heisman, they'll have to hitchhike all the way here from Wasilla and borrow a gun and a knife from Bubbakis to kill and skin me, to say nothin' of the fact that she'll be so plumb tuckered out by then, it's gonna take her considerably more than a minute even if Wasilla is the meth-lab capital of Alaska.

Gee, that's a shame.
 
Bubba says:
"I'll bet Sarah could shoot, gut, and skin jw in less than a minute."

I don't like JW either. But McCain and Palin are encouraging a level of political violence that hasn't been seen in this country in decades.

It's something that McCain and Palin need to address directly, and denounce harshly.

The fact that they aren't doing that tells a lot about McCain's lack of character.
 
Actually, little nameless-nitwit fella, I hate to confuse ya with the facts, but he did denounce it to a degree at a rally in MN yesterday when he: took his mic back from a woman who claimed Obama was an Arab, corrected her, told her Obama was a good, decent family man who he just fundamentally disagreed with on the issues and urged those in attendance to fight but to do it respectfully and was loudly and roundly booed by the clueless-cretin lynch mob in attendance for his troubles.

He knows he's goin' down and he'll never be President, but he doesn't want to go down by inciting the palin pinheads with pitchforks into calling TV cameramen "coons", "jigs", "terrorists" and "niggaz" like the good, decent, kukluxkrishtin-cretin amerikans they are or hoping some nra trash exercises his second amendment right and shoots Obama just so he can win, because even clueless mcsame draws the line at that.

Palin and his campaign managers, on the other hand, "are more than happy to go all Ayers all, the time," because they're dumb, they're scum, they've got bupkis and they know that if they talk about the issues, they're toast.

Like it or not, dems the facts, Jack.
 
Right. We should depend on the mainstream press to let us know about Obama's terrorist pals Ayres and Dohrne, his 20 year relationship with black racist "preacher" Wright, his $800,000 gift to ACORN which he "forgot" to mention on his finance disclosure, his relationship with Tony Rezko, not to mention Barney Frank's lover at Fannie Mae, or the cash cow Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac are to Obama, Dodd, and Kerry, the defense of sub-prime loans by Barney Frank and company, etc., etc.

Yeah, McCain and Palin shouldn't mention this stuff because it will all be divulged by CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, NY Times, Newsweek, etc.

HaHaHa!
 
When you have members of the crowd shouting "Kill him" "Terrorist" and "Traitor" because of lies repeated by candidates, then you have a serious problem. These people should have been removed from the crowd by security. Anyone who fails to see the seriousness of this and stands silent while this occurs risks bearing responsibility for very dangerous behavior. McCain has belatedly recognized this and attempted to calm the situation down; Palin has yet to display the common sense and common decency required to do this.
 
You can't nominate a black for president and then expect the campaign to be civil. They'll always take it to the lowest level and then blame regular Americans for their problems.
 
You can't nominate a black for president and then expect the campaign to be civil. They'll always take it to the lowest level and then blame regular Americans for their problems.
 
Racist.
 
Obama has been the candidate who has maintained dignity and civility in his campaign. It is others who have lowered the level of the campaign and continue to keep it there.
 
And no, I'm not referring to Joe Biden or the Democratic campaign.Palin embodies the lack of civility on the Republican side of this election.
 
Polling is not accurate because not all voters use a land line anymore.
 
bubba said...

"Yeah, McCain and Palin shouldn't mention this stuff because it will all be divulged by CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, NY Times, Newsweek, etc."

In other words, absence of evidence is proof of guilt in the eyes of your ignorant anonymous ass, Bubbakis.

HaHaHa!

Clearly, there's nothin' to divulge, douche bag.

If there was, the Bush Injustice Department and the lunatic-fringe likes of flush, inshannity, fixed noise and the rest of the sig heil set would have indulged it by now.

The only thing you and the rest of the "regular amerikans" comprising the sig heil set/timothy mcveigh wing of the gop-scum party have been able to prove is that ya got bupkis and ya can't prove anything.

They'd best get crackin' because this pathetic "blamin' Frank, Dodd and Obama for forcin' shrub, the late, unlamented, gop-scum Congress and the banks to loan money to "those people" for shrub blowin' the surplus he inherited, runnin' up another gop-scum deficit, tryin' to turn another bush recession into a bush depression before blamin' it on the Dems and just generally runnin' the economy and the Country into the toilet because he's got daddy issues" thing is goin' south even faster than the "saddam was behind 9/11 and he's got wmd so we have to get rid of him and invade Iraq where we'll be greeted as liberators in a cakewalk, the war will pay for itself and our troops will be home to celebrate Labor Day Weekend of 2003 without a scratch" thing.

Like shrub and the rest of the scum vote, you're dumb, you're scum and ya got bupkis, bubbakis.

Take it where the climate suits your sheet and tell your story walkin'.

Always a pleasure.
 
Anonymous said...

"You can't nominate a black for president and then expect the campaign to be civil. They'll always take it to the lowest level and then blame regular Americans for their problems.

3:22 PM, October 11, 2008

bubba said...
You can't nominate a black for president and then expect the campaign to be civil. They'll always take it to the lowest level and then blame regular Americans for their problems."

Anonymous said...
You can't nominate a black for president and then expect the campaign to be civil. They'll always take it to the lowest level and then blame regular Americans for their problems.

3:22 PM, October 11, 2008
bubba said...
You can't nominate a black for president and then expect the campaign to be civil. They'll always take it to the lowest level and then blame regular Americans for their problems.

3:23 PM, October 11, 2008"

Gee, ignorant anonymous trash in stereo. Imagine that.

Since you're the hardest workin' man in brain-dead-bigot show business today, bubbakis, why don't you lead your clueless-cretin choir in another chorus of "Say it Loud! We're Scum and We're Proud."

Dismissed.
 
Anonymous...

"Racist."

Gee, is your ignorant anonymous ass just braggin' or payin' bubbakis a complement, little fella.

Either way, disappear.
 
If the poll is bogus why is everyone so freaked out about it? Odum's having a cow on GMD. You just relax, folks. Gaye is doing just fine. She's a regular JFK, smooth and witty.
 
Not that it matters, but the last "Bubba" blog was not mine. Nice try, jw.
 
bubba said...

"Not that it matters, but the last "Bubba" blog was not mine. Nice try, jw."

It wasn't, eh?

Nice try, bubbakis.

Is it your clueless-cretin contention that you've got other ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis spewing psychotic slop in your name?

As always, feel free to prove it.

Moreover, is it also your clueless-cretin contention that I'm posting in your name?

If so, feel free to fail to prove that, too.

Always a pleasure.
 
There is nothing SMOOTH about Gaye Symington!!!!
 
There is nothing SMART about Jim Dougals.
 
There is nothing TRUSTWORTHY about Anthohy Pollina!!!!
 
You got that right!!!
 
Are they going to poll the other races?

Tom Costello for Lt. Gov.
 
Douglas's proposal to privatize social security AT THE STATE LEVEL is insane!!!! It's reckless. This is some scary judgment here. Vermonters beware. We've all seen how dependable Wall Street is these days.

Douglas wanted to sell our lottery to Lehman Bros. too. That would have worked out well--not.
 
Oh, come on, can't we hear coop and bubba wax moronic some more?
 
Anonymous...

"Oh, come on, can't we hear coop and bubba wax moronic some more?"

Nah, your ignorant anonymous ass is on a really on a roll, little fraudulent fella. Just take it and run with it, phony boy. The gig is yours.

Always a pleasure.
 
Vote for Tom Costello for Lt. Gov.
 
For the good of Vermont Gaye should drop out and leave the race to Pollina to beat Douglas.
 
Sure thing, doogie.
 
Pollina couldn't win a race against Karen Kerin.
 
The publicization of the debates has not worked in Symington's favor. She will come in third. Pollina is smooth, watch his eyes when he responds and after, as he takes a drink, he knows the game. He has his answers polished, much like Douglas is polished so is Pollina. He rises all without any idea of what implementing his ideas would cost since so very much will be bonded (borrowed, to be paid by our young.
 
Nah, Pollina will do what Pollina always does. He'll sentence Vermont to two more years of doogie/dubie debacle incompetence and finish third.
 
Whatever the outcome of the governors race, Jill K. should not return to run the Dem party. Her lack of experience or skills is glaring. Dems can do far better than this novice.
 
What the dims need to do is organize a Vermont chapter of ACORN. Maybe Barack would stop by to show the slugs how to register Ethan and Ira Allen, Calvin Coolidge, Liberace, Micky Mouse, etc. Why should the criminal element not have a presence in Vermont similar to New Mexico, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Washington, Oregon, etc?
 
Nobody argues that Pollina is good at talking -- indeed, it's all he's ever done.

But he hasn't done much else.
 
Let's see...

Jim Douglas is smooth and his ideas are old GOP mantra,and he wants to privatize social security - despite the recent weeks storm on the stock market. In addition, Jim=Jobs has been a disaster.

Anthony Pollina is a good speaker - yet has done nothing else.

And Gaye Symington is a very smart, not so good speaker.

I'll take Gaye's smarts!
 
Symington is the spoiler at this point. Shouldn't she just drop out? She's sentencing us to more Douglas. She hasn't a whisper of chance yet she jumped in way late. Do the right thing, Gaye.
 
Gaye Symington is running for Governor?
 
For ten years the Progs have said, "There is no such thing as a spoiler!" Now they flip flop and start whining about spoilers?

This is why they always come in third. You can't trust what they say.
 
Anthony is the spoiler, has been the spoiler, and will be the spoiler.

He has absolutely no chance of winning!

Maybe after he comes in 3rd this time, again, he will finally "retire" from running!
 
bubba...

What the dims need to do is organize a Vermont chapter of ACORN....

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis, bubbakis.

Gee, thanks for clearin' that up, little factually fella.

Actually, what you and the rest of your gop-slop spewin', coalition of the clueless cretin comrades need to do is get yourself a case, and a clue.

Buck up, bubbakis. Clearly, ya got the blind pig thing down pat. You'll stumble across that acorn eventually.

"Why should the criminal element not have a presence in Vermont similar to New Mexico, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Washington, Oregon, etc?"

Well, bubbakis, they controlled the FAHC Board of Directors when the gop-slime likes of Cluleless McCarren and the Tarrantula sat idly by while Butcher-Billy Boettcher ran the joint into the ground only to get a measly two years in a North Vegas Federal Country Club for the Vermont Taxpayer's trouble.

Actually, I believe he got off early for teachin' degenerate gamblers like bonehead billy bennett how to better calculate the odds of drawin' an inside straight playin' video poker and risk/reward ratios for white collar criminals along with law of probability principles on the odds of gettin' prosecuted, convicted and a stiff sentence for criminal cluelessness and nitwit negligence by a sympathetic if incompetent gop-slime government.

In retrospect, Doogie sure took a pass on that whole Renaissance Rape thing. Then again, doogie takes a lot of passes.

The Gop-slime criminal element has controlled the Fifth Floor of the Pavilion for the better part of six years, bubbakis while the doogie/dubie debacle has trashed the place.

You're not in 2003 anymore, little fella. The lunatic-fringe likes of you and the gop-scum establishment aren't gonna be able to distract the public with bogus stories of Plainfield teenagers throwin' rocks at female VNG members to get folks to forget about the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan and Osama been forgotten.

Puckhead Palin dropped a ceremonial puck at a Flyers-Rangers game in Philly Saturday and got the gop-slop booed out of her.

She went to a political rally and a hockey game broke out. So much for the painted pit bull.

First it was Troopergate. Now she's been busted for having the same construction company who illegally built Ted Stevens porch build her house with materials diverted from the Wasilla Sports Arena.

The bloom's off the blubber, bubbakis. She's just another crooked gop-slime Alaska politician.

If you want more criminals in Montpelier and DC, you and the gops are just gonna have to come up with a better sales pitch, little fella.

Then again, there's always Mississippi.

Bon voyage, bubbakis.

It's been a pleasure.
 
There are no such things as "spoilers". Everyone has a right to run for office. No person, and no party, has the right to tell other people to not put their hat in the ring.

Either your candidate campaigns their butts off and gets the most votes, or they don't. End of story.

"I would have won if that other person was not in the race" is about as un-democratic as you can get.

If the Dem candidate for Governor is blowing it in one of the most liberal states in the nation, that is NOT because there is a perennial third-party fame-chaser in the race. It's because that candidate has failed to energize people about her or her campaign.

To you forgetful folks that think that Tony is ruining your candidate's chances, how do you explain the last two gubernatorial elections? Clavelle and Parker both worked ten times harder (and smarter) than the present Dem candidate, there was no credible third party/indy challenger, and they lost handily.

Interested to hear your thoughts. Cause it seems to me that Symington would have lost with or without Tony in the race, as she ran a dismal campaign and many of us felt that her heart just wasn't in it to win it.
 
I blame Jill K. She's way out of her league and it shows.
 
Then step up and prove that you can do better, bigshot.
 
Don't blame a campaign manager when you should be blaming the candidate. If your candidate doesn't want it - and doesn't show the "fire in the belly" that Vermonters look for - then there is nothing a campaign manager can do to overcome that.

It all starts and ends with the candidate.
 
I realize that there is a good chance we will end up with a president sympathetic to criminals, terrorists and run-of-the-mill layabouts. I realize that we may have a dunce-controlled house and senate as well, replete with drooling, pathological nitwits, thieves, parasites, and perverts like Al Franken, Barney Frank, Leahy and Sanders, Schumer, nitwit Race pimp John Lewis, San Fran Nan, the crook Horrible Harry Reed, and of course the elder statesman of all that is degenerate and despicable, that hero of Chappaquiddick, fat Teddy, but....even with a large majority in 1992-93 these utter fools managed to fight among each other over who could bankrupt the country the quickest, either with Bill's highest tax hike in history, or Madame Hillary's health care plan!

Sam old, same old. Just a matter of time.
 
bubba said...

"I realize that there is a good chance we will end up with a president sympathetic to criminals, terrorists and run-of-the-mill layabouts...."

Nah, the criminally-incompetent gop-slime party is over, bubbakis. McCain's toast.

I'm afraid you're gonna have to get off your duff, hire a lawyer to negotiate a plea, take the best deal ya can get, surrender yourself to the control of Vermont's Criminal Justice System to one degree or another and make a good faith effort to get a job, bubbakis.

Bummer.

Always a pleasure.
 
What about that clueless Alex woman who works for Gaye? There's a box of rocks and then there is her.
 
Anonymous said...

"There are no such things as "spoilers". Everyone has a right to run for office..."

Ya have the right to eat pizza for dinner every night and smoke two packs of cigarettes every day, too, little nameless-nitwit fella. That don't make it a good idea.

Get yourself some new nameless-nitwit talking points.

"No person, and no party, has the right to tell other people to not put their hat in the ring."

Well, besides you and Pollina, anyhow.

"Either your candidate campaigns their butts off and gets the most votes, or they don't."

Nice try. Tell that to Al Gore, little fraudulent fella. Clearly, Nader had no effect on the 2000 race in Florida.

In a vacuum and as a rule, that's true, little fella. Assuming, of course, that all things are equal.

Then again, this crap doesn't happen in vacuum, little fella, and when you've got two center-left candidates runnin' against a well-financed, gop-slime incumbent with a well-documented and hard-earned record of incompetence, all things aren't equal, little fella.

Clearly, as a candidate, Symington's a stiff, but that don't her incompetent trash like doogie. It don't make her wrong, either.

Pollina's a distraction who's gonna run true to form, finish third as he divides the vote, deprives Symington of an election victory despite holding doogie below 50 percent for the first time and sentences Vermont to two more years of doogie/dubie debacle incompetence.

Bank on it, bonehead.

The DNC isn't gonna give any money to Symington until she improves her poll numbers and as long as Pollina continues gummin' up the works and she keeps running a lackluster campaign, her campaign numbers ain't goin' up, she ain't gettin' any money and the doogie/dubie debacle weathers the storm to inflict their incompetence on Vermont for another two years.

Catch 22. Read it. Learn something.

If doogie hangs on, the good news is that doogie's looking at a veto-proof majority in the Legislature and a competent, intelligent Dem President in the White House.

Now, doesn't that sound like fun, little fella.

This ain't 2002, 2004 or 2006, little fella. Gops are incompetent scum. Some are just worse than others.

As incompetent gop scum goes, doogie's far from the worst. That don't change the fact that he's incompetent gop scum.

Always a pleasure.
 
Symington is weaker than Scudder Parker and you think she'd win? Moron.
 
what a dumb piece of crap you are coopy. if I were you I'd remain anonymous instead of posting my name, so people wouldn't always point and say "look at that fat stupid jerk, that's the guy full of crap that posts on BFP all the time!"

just to dish on a couple of points, in random order:

1. the dems and the handful of progs had a veto-proof majority in both chambers last year, jackass. what did they do with it? oh yeah . . . nothing. You gonna blame the unproductive session on the progs too, along with Gaye's dismal prospects?

2. you offer no proof - not a poll, not even a rationale explanation - that Symington will finish second. I don't think the Rasmussen poll is that far off. And they say third, pal. Any pollsters on your side beg to differ?

3. and by all your twisted logic, someone running in third place - and dividing the left, as you say - and someone who got into the race AFTER the other left-of-center candidate got in . . . SHOULD DROP OUT! Or is the "D" label more important than the "left-of-center" label?

4. furthermore, you brain dead schmuck, study a little VT political history . . . you will see there are plenty of Dems that can pull off the amazing feat of winning in overly-left VT even with other left-of-center candidates in the mix. If your fat ass can read, why don't you go read up on the election that sent Pat Leahy to the Senate.

5. Lastly, you said nothing - absolutely nothing - to refute my main point: THAT SYMINGTON WOULD GET CREAMED IN THIS RACE WITH OR WITHOUT POLLINA IN IT. She's a lackluster candidate. And everyone that I speak with seems to mention that she just doesn't really have her heart in it. Almost like she decided to retire from the Legislature, did not want to return to being a rank n' file legislator, and was talked - reluctantly, I sense - into taking one for the team.

Now Coopy, I imagine right now that your blubber is shaking with anger like a jello mold in an earthquake. So calm down before you write anything. Go have a Yoo-Hoo or something to take you to that special place where all is well and everyone agrees with you . . .

It's been a pleasure serving you today!
 
Anonymous...

"Symington is weaker than Scudder Parker and you think she'd win? Moron."

Well, look who's back in town. It's been quite a stretch, little nameless-nitwit moron fella. I was gettin' worried.

Which part of it's not 2006 is givin' your ignorant anonymous ass trouble, little moron fella.

That was a bad year for gop slime. This is gop-slime apocalypse time.

You clueless cretins are gonna look back on 2006 as the good old days.

Again, even if doogie hangs on with Pollina's help, he's lookin' at a veto-proof majority in the Legislature, which leaves you and the rest of the scum vote on the verge of extinction, little fella.

Face it, you're a dinosaur, douche bag. Go find yourself a tar pit and fall in it.

Always a pleasure.
 
Is that "veto-proof" majority as in the 2007-2008 "veto-proof" majority?
 
Anonymous...

"what a dumb piece of crap you are coopy. if I were you I'd remain anonymous instead of posting my name, so people wouldn't always point and say "look at that fat stupid jerk, that's the guy full of crap that posts on BFP all the time!"

Which is why your ignorant anonymous ass posts anonymously, little fella.

Gee, thanks for clearin' that up.

"just to dish on a couple of points, in random order:"

Ah, so your nameless-nitwit nonsense will be random, eh?

In no particular order, how could
any non-nameless nitwit with bupkis tell and why would or should I give a damn?

Gee, bubkis. I'm shocked.

"1. the dems and the handful of progs had a veto-proof majority in both chambers last year, jackass."

Clearly, a lifetime of cognitive dissonance had taken its toll on your clueless-cretin cabeza, little factually-challenged fella, so I'll break it down for ya. Again.

Progs are not Dems, douche bag. They're Progs. Big difference.

Ninety-three is not one hundred. It's 93.

Moreover, if you add six Progs to 93 Dems the total is 99.

Ninety-nine is not 100. Ninety-nine is 99, nitwit.

You can continue to spew the same psychotic-slop all ya want, schmuck, but the facts will remain the facts and your ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis will remain just that.

"what did they do with it? oh yeah . . . nothing. You gonna blame the unproductive session on the progs too, along with Gaye's dismal prospects?"

No, I'm gonna put the blame squarely where it belongs, bonehead - on doogie and the gop-scum minority in the House. They continue to put the interests of party, doogie and entergy ahead of Vermont.

The VY Decom Fund veto override failed by one gop-slime vote.

Now, thanks to entergy, doogie and gop-slime incompetence, we come to find it's a few hundred grand short and Vermonters will, once again, be on the hook for entergy's criminal negligence and doogie's incompetence.

"2. you offer no proof - not a poll, not even a rationale explanation - that Symington will finish second."

Well, little fella, in the unlikely event that you ever make a case that would require me to shred it, I'll gladly comply.

Again, past performance indicates that the odds against anything like that occurring range from extremely long to astronomical.

If ya can get those odds down to merely long to real long, give me a buzz. You know the number. That's one thing you have established.

That said, when was the last time a third party candidate finished ahead of a Dem and/or a gop in any Vermont electoral contest that didn't feature Bernie Sanders as candidate, little factually-challenged fella?

Go on. Pick a race, any race. Knock yourself out, nitwit.

What's more, since there's clearly no end to the number of things your ignorant anonymous ass is unaware of, little fraudulent fella, I'll remind you that Bernie Sanders is not involved in this race.

That's what I thought.

The next thing you offer any proof of apart from the fact that you never have any proof to offer and ya don't know your ignorant anonymous ass from your elbow will be the first, little fella.

Your spelling has improved though. I'll give ya that much. You're far less likely to misspell what ya can't substantiate than you've been in the past, little fella.

You're welcome.

"I don't think the Rasmussen poll is that far off. And they say third, pal. Any pollsters on your side beg to differ?"

Ya mean besides the WCAX Poll that had Symington in second and Pollina having been lapped six or seven times bringin' up the rear with 7 percent, little fraudulent fella?

Ya know, you can start tryin' any time now, schmuck. I've had plenty of BP.

So, now that we've established that, apart from the rather obvious fact that, with respect to this or any other topic, you don't know what the hell you're talkin' about and you lack both the capacity and the inclination to "think" at all, little fella, you're basing your "thoughts" on.....?

Gee, now who coulda seen that busload of bupkis comin' down the boulevard, bonehead.

Let's see, one suspect Rasmussen poll that shows Pollina getting anywhere from 4-25 percent of the vote against the WCAX Poll, past performance and Vermont political history - a subject which you, not surprisingly, clearly know nothing about.

Just toss that on the pile with the rest of 'em, little fraudulent fella.

That said, I'll take my chances with door number two, shmendrik.

"3. and by all your twisted logic, someone running in third place - and dividing the left, as you say - and someone who got into the race AFTER the other left-of-center candidate got in . . . SHOULD DROP OUT! Or is the "D" label more important than the "left-of-center" label?"

No, little nameless-nitwit fella. Given reality, history and the current and likely composition of the legislature come January, the D just makes her a more viable candidate and you dumb scum. Again.

"4. furthermore, you brain dead schmuck, study a little VT political history . . . you will see there are plenty of Dems that can pull off the amazing feat of winning in overly-left VT even with other left-of-center candidates in the mix. If your fat ass can read, why don't you go read up on the election that sent Pat Leahy to the Senate."

Well, little fella, having voted in '74 when he beat Dick Mallary with 49.5 percent of the vote to Mallary's 46.4 percent of the vote
to become the only Dem to date from Vermont to be elected to the US Senate in the year of Watergate, I remember that election well and since you've clearly established that I've forgotten more than you and the rest of nameless-nitwit nation will ever know, what's your fookin' point, schmuck?

No. You sure as hell don't.

"5. Lastly, you said nothing - absolutely nothing - to refute my main point: THAT SYMINGTON WOULD GET CREAMED IN THIS RACE WITH OR WITHOUT POLLINA IN IT."

And when did your ignorant anonymous ass make that case, little fraudulent fella?

The only thing you've done is cite part of some suspect Rasmussen poll that has Pollina getting anywhere from 4-25 percent of the vote.
The margin of error is greater than the poll, ya pathetic putz.

Again, the only case you've made is that ya couldn't buy one or, like the rest of your coalition of the clueless comrades, find your ignorant ass with both hands, a flashlight and a road map.

You made that sale eleven months ago, little nameless-nitwit fella.

I never doubted it for a second, schmuck. My faith in your inevitable failure remains as unshakable as ever.

Meanwhile, you're ignoring the WCAX poll, Vermont Political History, the law of probability, past performance, reality, the facts and the fact that doogie continues to focus his ads solely on Symington.

If doogie's internal polling actually indicated that Pollina was roarin' up the outside in the rear view, don't ya think he'd adjust accordingly, little fella.

Christ, even I think doogie's smart enough to do that if he thought Pollina was his real threat, nitwit.

If you're tellin' me that I have more faith in doogie's survival instincts than you do, he's in even bigger trouble than I'd hoped.

"She's a lackluster candidate."

Yeah, that's what I said. Feel free to use it.

"And everyone that I speak with seems to mention that she just doesn't really have her heart in it."

Everyone ya talk to, eh?

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum, ya continue to have bupkis and be without a case or a clue.

Gee, another busload of bupkis comin' 'round the bend. Imagine that.

Gee, that's swell, schmuck, but bubbakis doesn't know his ass from his elbow, either, little factually-challenged fella.

Ya know anybody with a brain, a name and the stones to use it who doesn't currently reside in his mother's basement, little fraudulent fella?

I'm shocked.

Always a pleasure.

Say goodnight, greasy.
 
bubba...

"Is that "veto-proof" majority as in the 2007-2008 "veto-proof" majority?"

And what veto-proof majority would that be, bubbakis?

A veto-proof majority in the Vermont House requires 100 votes.

There were 93 Dems in the 2007-2008 Vermont House of Representatives, Bubbakis.

I hate to confuse your ignorant anonymous ass with the facts, little fella, but Progs are not Dems and 93 is not 100.

Feel free to check if ya like.

Moreover, there are six Progs in the Vermont House. Even if you add six Progs to 93 Dems, you come up with a total of 99 votes.

Again, 99 is not 100. It's 99.

That leaves you still dumb, still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass continues to have bupkis, bubbakis.

Just like when I came in 11 months ago.

Say goodnight, greasy.
 
Symington is just not "all in" and Pollina is just a joke.
 
Symington is just not "all in" and Pollina is just a joke.
 
Yes, jw, and 11 months ago when you "came aboard" in your pathetic little attempt to back up Doug Hoffer's phony stats about taxes in Vermont with more phony crap, your "facts" then were whipped like a rented mule.

Same old. Here it is 11 months later and you still are spouting your unsubstantiated bile passing them off as "facts" (i.e., JFK would have ended the Vietnam War, etc., ad nauseum). Maybe you should try another field. Maybe get a job.
 
bubba....

"Yes, jw, and 11 months ago when you "came aboard" in your pathetic little attempt to back up Doug Hoffer's phony stats about taxes in Vermont with more phony crap, your "facts" then were whipped like a rented mule."

While I don't doubt for one second your clueless-cretin capacity for animal cruelty, I was talking about things that happened on this planet, bubbakis.

The delusional-dreck dreams and factually-challenged fascist fantasies of you and your gop-slop spewin' coalition of the clueless cretin compadres aren't relevant to the matter before us.

Always a pleasure.
 
JWCOOP....you continue to sound like a poor little foul-mouthed victim. It is always someone else's fault for your collective failures. (BTW that is one of the tricks of a demagogue- assign blame to on a scapegoat).

Buck up, grow up act like an adult by taking some responsibility.
 
It amazes me that teh GOP and its cronies talk about Symington's veto proof majority - SHE NEVER HAD ONE!

For it to be veto proof she would have had to have 100 or more - the Dems in the house only had 93!

However, the Senate DID have a veto proof majority with 23 of 30 seats in Dem control.
 
This discussion of a veto-proof majority is a distraction and an excuse for her failures.

Qualified and skilled politicians know how to work across the aisle to get good legislation passed.

Obviously when you put a bad proposal in front of the House you will not find widespread support.

Perhaps her failures should be looked at as how out of touch she is with the views of the state if you cannot muster support from just a few P's or R's.
 
Anonymous...

"JWCOOP....you continue to sound like a poor little foul-mouthed victim."

No, but your ignorant anonymous ass continues to spew this psychotic slop every time I smack ya with the fact that Progs ain't Dems, 93 ain't 100, 93 and 6 ain't 100, either and you continue to be caseless and clueless every time ya post this slop which is why ya post it so often.

Let me know if I'm goin' too fast for your ignorant anonymous ass, little factually-challenged fella.

"It is always someone else's fault for your collective failures.."

Ah, so it's my fault that you can't grasp the fact that 93 ain't 100, eh?

Well, your ignorant anonymous ass was either gonna blame me, Symington, Shumlin the Clintons or Howard Dean for the failures of eight years of shrub and six years of doogie/dubie debacle. It's always someone else's fault when you swine can't count, don't know what the hell you're talkin' about or what day it is.

"BTW that is one of the tricks of a demagogue- assign blame to on a scapegoat)."

Yeah, I know. I've seen your act. Get some new jokes, jerk off.

Buck up, grow up act like an adult by taking some responsibility.

Ya can give my best to your mom, take out the garbage and grow a pair while you're at it, too, little fraudulent fella.

Always a pleasure.
 
Anonymous said...

"This discussion of a veto-proof majority is a distraction and an excuse for her failures."

No, but this ongoing pathetic attempt to shift the focus from the fact that your ignorant, anonymous ass can't count, distinguish a Prog from a Dem or hide the fact that ya don't have a case or a clue is, little factually-challenged/fraudulent fella.

Nice try. No sale.

"Qualified and skilled politicians know how to work across the aisle to get good legislation passed."

Yeah, but we're not talkin' about one of them, little fraudulent fella. We're talkin' about doogie's dishonest refusal to bargain in good faith or give a damn about the will of the vast majority of Vermonters.

She got 92 outta 93 votes in her own caucus and failed only because the gop-slime machine twisted the arm of the mutt from Mount Holly and the Pillsbury Dough-boy decided it might put him at a disadvantage for Senate run this Fall.

And how's that workin' out for him so far?

Moreover, your continued clueless-cretin attempts to characterize her mustering a mere 65-66 percent of the House instead of the necessary 67 to override doogie's dimwitted veto as a "failure" on Symington's part is as meshuggah as the rest of your delusional dreck, douche bag.

The question is not why Symington could only muster 92 outta 93 Dem votes and a total of 95-99 votes out of 150 in an effort to override doogie's disastrous vetoes, little fella. The question is why doogie and the gop-slime minority continues to put the interests of doogie, entergy a the gop-slime society ahead of 65-70 percent of Vermont voters, schmuck.

Of course, to the extent that it has the capacity to think at all, your ignorant anonymous ass "thinks" Shumlin should convince the other 22 members of his Senate Majority to join with him and bow to the will of doogie and the psychotic gop-slime seven.

Doogie screwed us over on VY safety and the entergy decom fund and now we're left holding the bag for his criminal negligence, incompetence and fundamental lack of integrity, schmuck, just like Brooke Bennett was when helluva job hofie cut Jacques loose early so he could get a promotion at work.

Clearly, that's a bit too business-friendly for most Vermonters, little fraudulent fella.

Ya can keep spewin' your psychotic-slop until all ya want, schmuck, but it's not gonna alter the fact that, like your boys shrub and doogie, you're dumb, you're scum and ya got bupkis.

Now get your ignorant anonymous ass a case and a clue or tell your story walkin' and take it where the climate suits your sheet, schmuck.

Always a pleasure.
 
Hey idiot, maybe you should invest some time and energy going door-to-door for your sinking candidate, instead of bitching about everything under the sun on this blog.

If Symington loses, it's because fat lazy do-nothing-but-criticize-everything punks like you think that typing on a keyboard night and day is going to help your candidate. It won't buddy. There's only a couple dozen people - AT MOST - that read these comments, bonehead.

You wanna help her? Get out of your sagging chair, get away from the crumb-encrusted keyboard, get out into the sunshine, and do some campaigning for her . . . cause apparently she's not going to do any campaigning herself!

And if you waste more of your time just writing on this blog, again, for a dozen at most people to read, again, then there's only one thing to say:

You're dumb, you're scum, and you have no bupkis.

Dismissed, Dough Boy!
 
Yeah! Send Coop out door to door to charm people into voting for Gaye.

Picture little Coopy knocking on your Grandmother's door....

"Hi. My name is JWCOOP10 and I am her to tell you if you don't vote for Gaye you are scum, dumb and you don't know bupkis you intellectually-challenged, shrub lovin', goose stepping nazi slime. Go where the climate suits your sheet deduce bag."

Yeah, take will help her campaign :)
 
Coopy,

Thanks for all your words, Sweetie Pie. They are nonsensical but classic Coop none the less. You still sound like a victim.

When will you actually take personal responsibility for anything?
 
Anonymous said...

"Hey idiot, maybe you should invest some time and energy going door-to-door for your sinking candidate, instead of bitching about everything under the sun on this blog."

Gee, little fraudulent fella. Don't blame me 'cause you're dumb, you're scum, ya got bupkis, ya can't count, ya can't read, ya can't comprehend and ya don't know which end is up or what fookin' day it is.

Ninety-three ain't 100, nitwit.

Bupkis is nothing, schmuck. Ya just told me I have no nothing.

Oy Gevalt! After 11 months, even the meshuggah mutt likes of your ignorant anonymous ass should have been able to figure that much out by now, nitwit.

If you're gonna steal my lines, douche bag, don't fook 'em up.

"If Symington loses, it's because fat lazy do-nothing-but-criticize-everything punks like you think that typing on a keyboard night and day is going to help your candidate."

Nice try, nitwit.

If Symington loses, it's gonna be because she was a poor candidate who ran an even worse campaign and Pollina helped divide the vote allowing doogie to slip in with less than 50 percent of the vote.

That's not gonna alter the fact that doogie's incompetent trash and your ignorant anonymous ass can't count, can't read, can't reason and can't distinguish your ass from your elbow about this or anything else that comes up here, schmuck.

You're the same thing ya were long before I got here. An anonymous cyber bully who doesn't like it when somebody smacks ya back.

And before ya start with your pathetic tolerance trash, stuff a sock in it, schmuck. I have no patience with ignorant, anonymous, gop-slop-spewin' wingnut trash and I sure as hell ain't gonna start makin' exceptions for the lunatic-fringe likes of you, gop-slop for brains.

If you can't substantiate your psychotic slop - and clearly you can't - that's not my problem, punk. Get some game or you're gonna get hurt.

If you don't like me handin' you your clueless-cretin cabeza on a regular basis, don't spew psychotic slop with no basis in fact and making it so easy for me to hand ya your clueless-cretin cabeza on a regular basis.

Your ignorant anonymous trash fate is in your own hands, little fraudulent fella. Choose wisely, chump.

Christ, schmuck. When your ignorant anonymous ass keeps tryin' to tell me delusional dreck like I have no bupkis and 93 is 100 and assorted other ignorant trash lies, it's harder to avoid handin' ya your head than it is to do it.

You're not exactly a worthy opponent, little fella, but I made it clear to ya from jump street that I don't brake for bupkis and I wouldn't piss on ya if you were on fire, so don't come cryin' to me now, nitwit. Capice?

Let me know if I'm goin' too fast for ya now, nitwit.

"..There's only a couple dozen people - AT MOST - that read these comments, bonehead."

Gee, thanks for clearin' that up, schmuck.

I'm not involved with any campaign. I never claimed to be involved with any campaign. I vote and I contribute. End of fookin' story.

Moreover, I don't do this to change minds, schmuck. I do this for my own amusement, to kill time and because I don't like it when the ignorant anonymous trash likes of you and bubbakis spew your psychotic slop and try to run off everyone who disagrees with your delusional dreck.

All of which brings us back to the inescapable fact that you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has got bupkis, punk, and as long as ya keep tellin' the same wingnut lies and spewin' the same psychotic slop, I'm gonna keep rippin' your heart out and showin' it to ya before I hand ya your head.

Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Look it up. Learn something.

Let there be no misunderstandings between you and your clueless-cretin comrades, little fella. If you're gonna come at me, don't be comin' at me with any more 93=100 horsebrit, schmuck.

Either bring some ammo and substantiate your slop or don't cry when ya get hurt.

Nice talkin' to ya.
 
More than ever I am convinced of the power of the Coopster.

He should go door to door spreading the good news of Gaye's election bid. I can't think of anything that would put Douglas back in office for 2 more years faster than seeing that little sweetie pie showing up on someone's doorstep.

I can hear him know. Hi, I am JWCOOP10 going door to door for Gaye S. What? You are voting for Douglas? That brings me to the inescapable fact that you're dumb, you're scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has got bupkis, punk, and as long as ya keep tellin' the same wingnut lies and spewin' the same psychotic slop, I'm gonna rip your heart out and show it to ya before I hand ya your head. Have a nice day.

Go Coopy!
 
True, but maybe SOMEDAY "Vermonters" will wake up to the fact that the dimocrat policies in Vermont might as well be authored by the likes of jw. Think about it.
 
Why the hell is JWCoop10 allowed to post this abusive garbage on the blog?

Is anyone from the Burlington Free Press even mildly bothered by his nonsense or do they enjoy being made to look like fools by him?
 
bubba...

"True, but maybe SOMEDAY "Vermonters" will wake up to the fact that the dimocrat policies in Vermont might as well be authored by the likes of jw. Think about it."

Bubbakis, you're dumb, you're scum, ya got bupkis and your next thought will be your first.

Disappear.
 
Anonymous said...

"Why the hell is JWCoop10 allowed to post this abusive garbage on the blog?"

Gee, little ignorant, anonymous, factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/nameless-nitwit fella don't like it when I call him on his factually-challenged BS.

Bummer.

Ninety-three still ain't one hundred, schmuck.

Get yourself a case and a clue or get used to it, 'cause as long as they're lettin' the lunatic-fringe likes of your ignorant anonymous ass post here, I'm gonna call ya on your psychotic slop, schmuck.

Are we clear?

Disappear.
 
Come on gang, cut Jeff some slack.

Some of the meds he takes have an unpleasant (for him only) side effect. Lets just say Mr. Nubby is living up to his name these days. If it helps him to feel like a man to come on here ans act like an obnoxious, immature, half witted clown it seems that most of might be able to find enough compassion to just let him rant on.

Remember, it could be worse. You could have to be married to the moron.
 
The BFP won't do anything about Coop's behavior. They like the edge he brings. It plays well to their demographics.

Heck one or two more JW Mini-me's and this will be just like the Daily Kos.
 
Yeah, this blog IS sort of a low-rent Daily Kos, isn't it? Hey jw, tell us again about O'Reilly and the judge!
 
Anonymous said...

"The BFP won't do anything about Coop's behavior. They like the edge he brings. It plays well to their demographics."

Yeah, ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis pretendin' to post as my wife with a well-documented history of postin' our names, address and phone along with google map directions to our place is so much more dignified, little fraudulent fella.

Get yourself a case and a clue or get used to it, schmuck.

"Heck one or two more JW Mini-me's and this will be just like the Daily Kos."

Nice try, nitwit. Apart from me, this joint is bubbakis, nekkie boy and a couple of little nameless-nitwit mini-me's tryin' to turn the joint into freeperville of powerline.

Go, cheney yourself chump.

Always a pleasure.
 
Nice mouth. Keep it up and I will be washing it out with soap again, Coopy.

Mom
 
Hey coopy, you drop the "g" in certain words (pretendin') just like Sarah Palin!

Two peas in a pod!
 
Scream, spit spew, abusive drivel, rant, rave.

Narcissistic idiocy. Childish taunts.

Yiddish profanity. Potty mouthed name-calling.

Lies, more lies and still more lies.

Frothing at mouth. Homoerotic rape fantasies.

Random bigotry.

Sorry folks I’m kind of busy polishing the brass knob today so I can only give you the outline. You’ve been reading my garbage long enough to be able to flesh it out yourselves.

Luv n kisses,

Coop
 
Ya gotta love that ignorant anonymous trash school of "thought".

Always a pleasure.
 
"Ya gotta love that ignorant anonymous trash school of "thought".
"

We're having our class reunion this year.

All the old gang is going to be there. Gary Hart, Michael Ducacus, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Howard Dean, Madeline Kunin and even Al Franken and Mike Moore.

We're all going to stand around and talk about how much better the world would be if we were in charge. Then we're going to throw balloons full of butterscotch pudding at cars on the interstate so everyone will think they got hit with poo-poo.

It's gunna be really KOOL!

Luv n kisses,

Coop
 
Ignorant anonymous trash imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
 
I keep praying I'll find out I brought the wrong baby home from the home for unwed mothers.

My REAL son would know enough to click to see where the names linked to.

This idiot was still sleeping in rubber pants when he moved to Vermont at age 18.

I bet he still is wearing them.
 
And now that "Mother Cooper" has risen from the grave in the form of some nameless-nitwit with bupkis spewing psychotic slop in yet another feeble and ultimately futile effort to mask his latest bounty of bupkis, the intellectual, moral and philosophical bankruptcy of the ignorant anonymous trash community is complete and the scum vote is officially mathematically eliminated.

Gee, that's a shame.

Always a pleasure.
 
Jeff always was and always will be a cry-baby.

I should have drowned the little snot when I had the chance.

You've never done anything else for your mother Jeff: How about going one day without getting drunk?
 
From the makers of Wild Irish Rose:

Coopy...ignore that last comment. As you know and practice, anytime is the right time for a little nip of the Rose.
 
I can't believe someone actually said Gaye Symington is "very smart"!
 
JWCoop10 said...

"Scream, spit spew, abusive drivel, rant, rave.

Narcissistic idiocy. Childish taunts.

Yiddish profanity. Potty mouthed name-calling."

Yeah, that's pretty much the extent of your act, little fraudulent fella.

Just some ignorant, anonymous, schlong-bongin', dooshe wanker strung out on playin' with his pencil pretendin' to be me when he's not pretending to be me wife or me dear, departed mum because he's still dumb, he's still scum and he's still got bupkis.

What are the odds.
Gai tren zich, schmuck!

That's entertainment.

Always a pleasure.
 
Jeff, you know that you need to take your meds if you're going to get better.

Flushing them down the toilet will not do anything but waste the money I paid for them.
 
"when he's not pretending to be me wife or me dear, departed mum"


Me wife?

Me dear, departed mum?

Pretending to be Irish now Slappy?

You're an idiot Coop.
 
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