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4.04.2008

 

Two vetoes

Democrats were suspicious of/angry at the timing, but Gov. Jim Douglas vetoed two bills late Friday afternoon - campaign finance and instant runoff voting.

The timing, the Dems claim, is meant to keep the moves under the radar because no one reads the Saturday papers.

I won't argue that the governor must have had some motive for doing this on Friday afternoon, and heaven knows, it wasn't for my convenience, but I feel quite sure that you all turn religiously to the newspapers every day, no rest.

I do know this - that the governor's office has not posted the veto message on the governor's Web site. Must not have been convenient for them late on a Friday afternoon.

- Terri Hallenbeck

Comments:
WCAX covered the vetoes in their Friday evening 6 o'clock news. Whats to be angry about? It doesn't take much to snap the Dem's garters, Symington is probably in tears tonight. These were a couple of bills that deserved to be deep-sixed, congrats to the Guv for having the stones to do the job that our legislators didn't.
 
Not to worry. Gaye will ensure a veto override, right? Am I right? I'm not right, am I? Super majority, right? F It.
 
yawn
 
Terri, you do a great job. Thanks for your insights.
 
Terri, thanks for the update here. Why are people getting pissy???
 
This is why Symington told the House to set aside June 26th in case they had to override any vetos. Can she lose 2 years in a row and still run for Gov?
 
Not that I have a dog in this fight, but:

"JWCoop10 said...
Just when exactly has Symington been in tears, schmuck. Your ignorant, anonymous ass accuses her of breakin' down in tears 2-3 times per day.

When? Where? Why?"

From Freyneland April 4,2007:

Speaking of the Speaker — House Speaker Symington’s latest Friday “brown-bag lunch” with the Statehouse press got a wee bit intense at times. Speaker Gaye had a rough week. Despite the biggest Democratic majority in Vermont history, she had to pull her education “reform” bill because she couldn’t get 76 votes for the turkey. It would have saved all of $9 million out of $1.2 billion-plus in public school spending.

The Democratic speaker attempted to blame the bill’s demise entirely on Republican Gov. Jim Douglas. As the Associated Press reported, Symington, a born-to-riches, back-to-basics type who aspires to lead by consensus, “became emotional a few times out of frustration.”
 
IndependentVter has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

"Not that I have a dog in this fight, but:"

You sure don't, schmuck.

The only dog here is your evidence and it sure as hell ain't puttin' up much of a fight, little fella.

That's it. Ya go back a year to the day - yesterday - for a Freyne Column claiming she “became emotional a few times out of frustration.”
and this is your evidence that she's a "gargoyle who cries and throws hissie fits all the time."

Still, I give ya credit for at least goin' through the motions. That's more than bubble boy and his nameless-nitwit back up singers have been able to cough up over the better part of six months.

One of those loons muttered something about "Waffles" Bartlett five days ago and still hasn't come up with anything.

The only April Fools around here are anonymous, ignorant trash with bupkis making it just like every other day around this joint.

You loons are gonna have to show your cards. You've proven time and again that your word is worthless.

You're factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest ignorant trash with bupkis until ya prove yourselves otherwise.

Capice?

Dismissed.
 
NEK has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

"This is why Symington told the House to set aside June 26th in case they had to override any vetos."

Gee, no kiddin'.

You just now figurin' that out, little fella? You're a Month late and 10 Euros short, schmuck.

"Can she lose 2 years in a row and still run for Gov?"

No, no and it's spelled "vetoes", nitwit.

You're welcome.

Dismissed.
 
Anonymous said...

"So Coopy, do you want to apologize for just another of your false accusations or is Freyneland just another factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest ignorant, neo-nazi gop slop?"

Nice try, schmuck.

If that's the best you clueless cretins can come up with, the only thing it's evidence of is that your your continuing collective inability to cough up any evidence and your ongoing status as ignorant slop with bupkis, Iggy-Slop.

Again, those facts were never in dispute. My faith in your ability to cheney up anything you touch remains unshakable, schmuck.

Disappear.
 
rude.
 
yawn
 
Ya always are, Iggy Slop. Ya always are.

Dismissed.
 
I only threw it out there because JW asked; I was just curious what his response would be if somebody answered his questions completely, e.g. with evidence the speaker broke down in tears, and specific answers to his when, where and why follow ups.

It was pretty much what I expected.

As far as the underlying thread goes, the timing of the announcement of the vetoes could be merely a matter of getting to it when time permits; the "bad news goes out Friday evening" conventional wisdom is kind of dated with the 24-hour news cycle and alternative media.

It's not exactly a surprise he was going to do it and the proponents are going to flog it in the media from now until the override session, so the notion of "keeping it under the radar" is pretty farfetched.
 
well said
 
IndependentVter has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

"I only threw it out there because JW asked; I was just curious what his response would be if somebody answered his questions completely, e.g. with evidence the speaker broke down in tears, and specific answers to his when, where and why follow ups."

"Well, in the unlikely event that ever happens, I'll let ya know, little factually-challenged fella.

"e.g. with evidence the speaker broke down in tears, and specific answers to his when, where and why follow ups."

And just when and just where did ya do that, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/lyin'-slime fella?

You cited a year-old Freyneland Column claiming Symington “became emotional a few times out of frustration.”.

Where's the evidence of tears?

That's what I thought.

Citing a year-old Freyneland Column claiming Symington “became emotional a few times out of frustration.” ain't evidence of tears, little putz makin' promises he can't keep fella.

The only thing you've provided evidence of is your continuing inability to furnish evidence to substantiate your consistently bogus allegations when called upon to do so, schmuck.

Those facts were never in dispute, deducebagg.

If ya can do what ya claim ya can do, little fella, what's preventin' ya from doin' it?

That's what I thought.

Again, merely citing a year-old Freyneland Column claiming Symington “became emotional a few times out of frustration.” ain't evidence of tears, little putz makin' promises he can't keep fella.

If this is your cornerstone evidence to the nameless-nitwit community's larger point that she's a "gargoyle who cries and throws hissie fits all the time.", then, once again, you and the nameless-nitwit community have bupkis for a case, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/lyin'-slime fella.

You're gonna have to prove you can throw strikes, schmuck. To date, like the rest of the lunatic-fringe, nameless-nitwit with bupkis community, the only thing you've managed to prove is a well-documented inability to do so and now they came by their well-earned moniker.

Which, all in all, is pretty much what I expected.

Dismissed.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

"you, sir, are an ass. happy to discuss in person."

You, schmuck, are ignorant anonymous, nameless-nitwtit trash with bupkis.

Go cheney yourself.

Dismissed.
 
chicken
 
Guess what.... If the governor doesn't veto a bill in a timely manor it becomes law without him signing. Maybe he was just taking a stand..... Not like someone who just keeps voting "present"
 
Congratulations to our Governor. The Campaign Finance law as written by VPIRG, with the help of the Dems, is just plain bad law. Another Supreme Court case will cost us another million dollars, and paste another silly grin on the face of Bill Sorrell, until he loses big time again. Good job, Governor.
 
The Dems complain about the Fri PM veto announcement- it is in the papers next to the Friday PM release of Clinton's $110 M income story.
 
Who cares?
 
Bill and Hillary are rich. What a scandal.
 
Bad legislation should be vetoed. What a surprise it came out a VPIRG effort. Let's see what 'leadership' our Govenor wannabe can provide to override this if she can.

Perhaps she will cry.
 
"Bill and Hillary are rich."

So is Obama....but don't worry they will watch out for us little people.

They understand us. Right.
 
JW Coop said: "Again, merely citing a year-old Freyneland Column claiming Symington “became emotional a few times out of frustration.” ain't evidence of tears, little putz makin' promises he can't keep fella."

Okay, I'll admit I was wrong; the quote I furnished wasn't from Freyne Land; it was in fact from his column, Inside Track.

Actually, it was Freyne quoting Ross Sneyd's AP story. Sneyd was being polite, as was Freyne, in his reporting by not writing that she "cried" or "choked back tears;" it was widely known at the State House she did.

So let's take a look at what Freyne actually wrote in his blog:

"The Associated Press eventually decided to describe it as a news conference in which Democratic House Speaker Gaye Symington of Jericho (at right with House Democratic Caucus Leader Carolyn Partridge of Windham), "became emotional a few times out of frustration."

Other possibilities included "getting teary-eyed" or "choked-up" or "showing signs of stress."

Hey, we're all human.

Regardless of the description, Friday's was a House Speaker's Brown-Bag Lunch you didn't want to miss - even if there were no "brown-bag lunches" in sight. And lucky for Speaker Gaye, no TV cameras showed up either.

The cause of the Vermont House Speaker's "frustration" was the crash-and-burn of the education spending "reform" bill she wants passed this year. Unfortunately for Gaye, her beloved "reform" bill is so Caspar Milquetoast weak, lame and inconsequential, it fails to excite even enough of the 100 Democrats and Progs to get the 76 votes needed for passage in the 150-member House.

Members of the Statehouse press in attendance at the Speaker's Friday "Brown Bag"" in addition to your favorite blogger were Ross Sneyd of the Associated Press, Louis Porter of the Vermont Press Bureau, and Nancy Remsen and Terri Hallenbeck from the Freeps "Capitol Bureau.""

http://7d.blogs.com/freyneland/2007/03/noblesse_oblige.html

Is that sufficient evidence of tears, JW?
 
GAYE SYMINGTON FOR GOVERNOR
 
Pollina for Governor
 
Colby and Coop for Gov and Lt Gov... the Dream Team. It's time to stop the insults and walk the talk.
 
Anonymous said...
Don't feed the JWTroll.

"Why argue with a fool?"

That's what my wife keeps askin' me when she takes me to task for wastin' time with you spineless, senseless, nameless nitwits, little fella.

Smart woman. Unlike you ignorant, ill-informed, anonymous schmucks in sheets, she's got a point.

Dismissed.
 
IndependentVter said...

"JW Coop said: "Again, merely citing a year-old Freyneland Column claiming Symington “became emotional a few times out of frustration.” ain't evidence of tears, little putz makin' promises he can't keep fella."

"Okay, I'll admit I was wrong; the quote I furnished wasn't from Freyne Land; it was in fact from his column, Inside Track."

In other words, ya still don't have any evidence of her in tears, little fella.

That's pretty much what I expected.

Still, you've done a nice job rearranging the deck chairs, little fella.

Too bad they're still on the deck of the Titanic.

"Actually, it was Freyne quoting Ross Sneyd's AP story. Sneyd was being polite, as was Freyne, in his reporting by not writing that she "cried" or "choked back tears;" it was widely known at the State House she did."

Thanks for clearin' up the specific source of your previously submitted non-evidence, little fella.

So, what you're saying is that Freyne and Sneyd's failure to say what you say they're saying is not your failure to provide the evidence you keep failing to provide but their collective failure because they're too polite.

Nice try, schmuck. No sale.

If it's as "widely known at the State House she did." as you say it is, then I'm sure you'll have no trouble producing an account of her doing what you claim she did given how "widely known she did" it was.

Perhaps the third time will be the charm for you.

"So let's take a look at what Freyne actually wrote in his blog:"

"The Associated Press eventually decided to describe it as a news conference in which Democratic House Speaker Gaye Symington of Jericho (at right with House Democratic Caucus Leader Carolyn Partridge of Windham), "became emotional a few times out of frustration."

In other words, in addition to Freyne, the AP's sayin' ya got bupkis, too. Thanks for clearin' that up.

That's why they pay 'em the big bucks, little fella.

Still, it's abundantly clear what they didn't say and what you can't produce. There's somethin' to be said for that.

"Other possibilities included "getting teary-eyed" or "choked-up" or "showing signs of stress."

So, is that Freyne, Sneyd, you or all of the above failing to say what you keep saying they said as you continue to fail to provide evidence you keep promising to provide, little fella?

If you buy yourself a lottery ticket, little fella, there's a possibility that you just might win.

Moreover, based on your efforts to date, the odds of you winning the lottery would appear to be considerably better than the odds of you coming up with some actual evidence to substantiate your allegation before we all die of old age.

Possibilities ain't evidence, little fella. They're just possibilities.

There's a possibility Symington broke down in tears at said occasion and there's a possibility that you may yet furnish evidence of her doing so.

Nevertheless, ya didn't do it in your first post and ya ain't pullin' it off in this one either.

You're 0-2, schmuck. Make good or make tracks.

"Hey, we're all human."

Don't flatter yourself, little fella.

Besides, you're havin' enough trouble coming up with evidence to prove this bogus allegation. Don't press your luck. Your plate is full enough as it is, little fella.

To date, you and your coalition of the clueless compatriots have provided no more evidence of your alleged humanity than you've been able to muster up to substantiate your allegations of Symington breaking down in tears.

Nevertheless, I'll allow for the possibility.

You're welcome.

"Regardless of the description, Friday's was a House Speaker's Brown-Bag Lunch you didn't want to miss - even if there were no "brown-bag lunches" in sight. And lucky for Speaker Gaye, no TV cameras showed up either."

"The cause of the Vermont House Speaker's "frustration" was the crash-and-burn of the education spending "reform" bill she wants passed this year. Unfortunately for Gaye, her beloved "reform" bill is so Caspar Milquetoast weak, lame and inconsequential, it fails to excite even enough of the 100 Democrats and Progs to get the 76 votes needed for passage in the 150-member House."

Members of the Statehouse press in attendance at the Speaker's Friday "Brown Bag"" in addition to your favorite blogger were Ross Sneyd of the Associated Press, Louis Porter of the Vermont Press Bureau, and Nancy Remsen and Terri Hallenbeck from the Freeps "Capitol Bureau.""

http://7d.blogs.com/freyneland/2007/03/noblesse_oblige.html

"Is that sufficient evidence of tears, JW?"

No, it's you citing several paragraphs from several sources not saying what you say they said and doing it in no uncertain terms, little fella.

That ain't evidence.

Regardless of the quantity of your alleged evidence, little fella, it's just you citing more paragraphs from more sources of more people not saying what you say they said.

Alas, the evidence you've provided has merely reinforced your resume concerning your continuing inability to provide any evidence when called upon to do so, little fella.

As always, those facts were never in dispute, deducebaggs.

Rest assured, my faith in your inability remains as constant and unshakable as ever.

You never fail to fail, little fella. Don't let anybody tell ya any different.

Always a pleasure.
 
How much of a dowery did Gayes old man have to put up to get her a husband...or is Chuck visually impaired?
 
Hey IndependentVter,

You need to understand it is only 'evidence' if it agrees with Coopy's point of view. Everything else is just bupkis.

Nice job. Clearly you have him on the ropes and, by the length of his rebuttal, he knows it too.
 
"How much of dowery..." You really show your ignorance with that comment.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

Hey IndependentVter,

"You need to understand it is only 'evidence' if it agrees with Coopy's point of view. Everything else is just bupkis."

Nice try, iggy-slop.

It's only evidence if it's evidence. Evidently, he doesn't have any.

You never do.

"Nice job. Clearly you have him on the ropes and, by the length of his rebuttal, he knows it too."

That's a good one, little fella.

How? Why? Where? When?

That's what I thought.

Disappear.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

"Guess what.... If the governor doesn't veto a bill in a timely manor it becomes law without him signing."

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

"Maybe he was just taking a stand....."

Maybe not.

"Not like someone who just keeps voting "present"

And who would that be, little fella?
 
Anonymous said...
"How much of dowery..."

"You really show your ignorance with that comment."

They show their ignorance with every post. There's nothin' special about that heapin' helpin' of horsebrit.

There never is.
 
Anonymous said...

"chicken"

Chicken-hawk. Ignorant, ill-informed, factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/delusional-chicken-hawk-dreck with bupkis.

Dismissed.
 
Anonymous said...

"Bad legislation should be vetoed. What a surprise it came out a VPIRG effort."

In what way is it bad, little factually-challenged fella?

Is it bad just because VPIRG is involved?

"Let's see what 'leadership' our Govenor wannabe can provide to override this if she can."

"Perhaps she will cry."

Perhaps you can learn how to spell Governor, little factually-challenged fella.

Perhaps not.

Perhaps one of you nameless nitwits can come up with evidence of Symington crying.

Perhaps not.

Clearly, indy and iggy-slop can't do it.
 
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www.medicinenet.com/obsessive_compulsive_disorder_ocd/article.htm
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

"For mor information on JWCoop's condition, goto this link:"

www.medicinenet.com/obsessive_compulsive_disorder_ocd/article.htm

Do they fail to produce evidence of Symington crying, too, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/got-bupkis fella?

How many pages does it take them to not provide it?

Go cheney yourself, chump.

Dismissed
 
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omg this is hilarious. JW you are a LOOOOOOOSEEEEEEEEEEER! hahaha
 
Coopy is a sad little man
 
Jw has his best buds Crying Gaye and Tony "the milkman" trynig to unseat Gov. Jim Douglas

Earth to JW "it ain't gonna happen"

Boo hoo boo hoo hear Gaye cry
 
Saye I'maguymington would probably agree to hand the governorship to Doesless if he were to beat her in the popular vote, regardless of whether or not he pulled 50 percent of the vote. Why let the legislature decide the outcome? Saye can't even get her own ruling party to override a veto.
 
Oooh boy. Comodem isn't going to like that last blogger's remark. GMD blog blows way worse than this one.
 
It's true. Every good Republican knows that there is no room for ugly chicks in politics.
 
Two words: Rosa DeLauro
 
Ouch
 
Barbara Rich-White-Trash Bush.
 
Does anyone from the Free Press actually moderate this forum?
 
This blog is out of control. These comments aren't even relevant to the articles. Disparaging remarks geared towards individual posters of any political orientation should not be tolerated. This is meant to be a forum for reasonable discussion, not hateful personal attacks. The Freeps admins really need to step in here.
 
"JWCoop10 said... Barbara Rich-White-Trash Bush."


Silly me and I thought Barbara Bush's middle name was Pierce.

Once again thanks for bringing facts and credible dialogue to the table Coopy.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

Jw has his best buds Crying Gaye and Tony "the milkman" trynig to unseat Gov. Jim Douglas

Earth to JW "it ain't gonna happen"

Boo hoo boo hoo hear Gaye cry"

No, I see your ignorant-trash with bupkis ass still failing to produce evidence of said Symington tears, little never-fail-to-fail fella.

So, Earth to delusional deducebag with bupkis, while you're failing to do that, feel free to fail to produce evidence of all my positive Pollina comments, little never-fail-to-fail fella.

I'm sure you'll live down to my expectations. Ya always do.

Ya can learn how to spell trying on your own time, schmuck.

Dismissed.
 
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Borderline?
 
JW you need some new material; some new catch phrases . . . you keep using the same crapola over and over and it feels forced. Like Gary Coleman, when he would do that "what you talkin' 'bout, Willis" line over and over and over, long after it was funny.

Writers strike is over, man. Either try to make us laugh or try to make a coherent point . . . cause right now you ain't doin' either.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

"JWCoop10 said... Barbara Rich-White-Trash Bush."


"Silly me and I thought Barbara Bush's middle name was Pierce."

"Once again thanks for bringing facts and credible dialogue to the table Coopy."

Dialogue, eh? That's a good one, little factually-challenged fella.

Go cheney yourself, iggy-slop.

The only thing you've proved in six months is that you're ignorant trash with bupkis and lack the capacity to think at all.

Disappear.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Two vetoes":

"JW you need some new material; some new catch phrases . . . you keep using the same crapola over and over and it feels forced. Like Gary Coleman, when he would do that "what you talkin' 'bout, Willis" line over and over and over, long after it was funny."

Gee, Gary Coleman, eh? Ain't you the cutting-edge clueless cretin, little fella.

Go cheney yourself, chump.

You're ignorant slime on your best day and you ain't havin' your best day.

You have no merit on any conceivable level, punk.

You have no coherent point. You have no point at all. You're just some anonymous schmuck in a sheet.

You remain wholly without merit: intellectually, morally, politically, legally, historically, and comically.

Again, you have no merit on any conceivable level, punk.

Disappear.
 
Calling all coalition of the clueless cretins.

I'm still not seein' any evidence of Symington in tears, little factually-challenged/never fail to fail nitwits.

Some schmuck, gives me multiple paragraphs of possibilities from multiple sources not saying Symington was in tears.

Again, we know what they didn't say. It you ignorant-trash clowns have a case, make it.

It'd be a first, but I'll allow for the possibility.

If not, stuff a sock in it and take your delusional dreck where the climate suits your sheet.

Dismissed.
 
Anonymous said...

"This blog is out of control. These comments aren't even relevant to the articles. Disparaging remarks geared towards individual posters of any political orientation should not be tolerated. This is meant to be a forum for reasonable discussion, not hateful personal attacks. The Freeps admins really need to step in here."

Gee, little nameless nitwits don't like it when someone smacks 'em back.

That's a shame, little fella.

Either get yourself a screen-name and a legitimate argument or get used to it.

Dismissed.

3:44 PM, April 07, 2008
 
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The JW scorecard

15 posts in 21 hours....
40 insults...
3 trying-to-be-funny jokes...
5 disappears...
5 dismisseds...

Number of facts offered 0

Number of insightful points made 0


Congrats on the effective waste of internet bandwidth. You are in fact the Master.

I agree with the 3:44PM posting. This blog is out of control and gets worse every day. It is a shame this type of continued anti-social behavior is tolerated.
 
But it's OK to comment on Democratic women's looks. Republicans really are ignorant in that respect.
 
Republican women have two eyebrows. And shave their legs.
And don't wear flannel shirts and boots 365 days of the year.
And prefer men.
 
In other words, they're not buyin' your ignorant slop either.

Bummer.
 
JW luvs his "Oslima"

no matter what stupid s^%t he says


We luv revrand rite don't we brutha JW
 
Walt Freed for Governor
He is twice the man Gaye Symington is
 
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