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3.24.2008

 

Doyle survey results

Recogning the unscientific nature of the survey that Sen. Bill Doyle asks folks attending town meetings to fill out, the results are nevertheless interesting.

Here are the responses in percentages based on a count of 6,800 surveys. He expects eventually to tally more than 11,000.

Should drivers be prohibited from using cell phones while driving?
y: 70 %
n: 22 %
not sure: 8 %

Do you support same-sex marriage?
y: 54%
n: 37%
not sure: 7%

Should Vermont take the lead in addressing climate change?
y: 64%
n: 24%
not sure: 12%

Should Vermont lease its lottery?
y: 6%
n: 74%
not sure: 20%

Are you optimistic about Vermont's economy?
y: 33%
n: 44%
not sure: 23%

Do you support the legalization of hemp?
y: 55%
n: 32%
not sure:13%

Should jail time be removed for the possession of one ounce of marijuana?
y: 65%
n: 26%
not sure: 9%

Do you support a four-year-term for governor?
y: 62%
n: 30%
not sure: 8%

Do you support a four-year-term for legislators?
y: 43%
n: 47%
not sure: 10%

Should Vermont Yankee's license be renewed in 2012?
y: 43%
n: 30%
not sure:27%

Should the gas tax be increased to improve our roads and bridges?
y: 31%
n: 51%
not sure: 18%

Do you believe the Vermont Legislature is doing a good job?
y: 41%
n: 33%
not sure: 26%

Do you believe Gov. Douglas is doing a good job?
y: 42%
n: 38%
not sure: 20%


Presidential preferences: (these are actual counts, not percentages)
Democrats
Hilary Clinton: 1419
Barack Obama: 2,708

Republicans
Mike Huckabee: 274
John McCain: 1,095

Obviously, based on presidential preferences, you can get a sense of who was filling out these surveys. Still, how closely do you think these self-selected respondents reflect public opinion on each of these issues?

--Nancy Remsen

Comments:
You left off this very important question:

Does the Vermont press waste way too much ink on the results of this silly survey?

Yes: 98.7%
No: 1.3%
 
Wow! All the union teachers that get town meeting day off (along with half of the rest of the year) voted for every left-wing piece of crap! What a surprise! How far Vermont has sunk!
 
Bubba is an idiot and the survey is both silly and irrelevant.
 
Maybe but it is good to know that the Stoners don't want to be driving while talking on their cell phones.
 
Does anyone ever bother to post anything constructive on this blog?
 
To bring it back, it is pretty amazing most think the legislature is doing a good job. Apparently in VT doing nothing is considered better than doing something.

Name 5 things of substance they have done in the last year and hosting Cindy Sheehan doesn't count.
 
"Apparently in VT doing nothing is considered better than doing something."

Evidenced by the continued re-election of Gov. Doesless.
 
Anonymous said...

"Does anyone ever bother to post anything constructive on this blog?"

Well, you've certainly eliminated your anonymous ass as a potential suspect, little fella.

12:52 PM, March 24, 2008
 
Anonymous said...

"To bring it back, it is pretty amazing most think the legislature is doing a good job. Apparently in VT doing nothing is considered better than doing something."

Invading Iraq 5 years-ago on bogus intel would have been a good action not to take.

Certainly, there's 50K US Troops who've been killed or maimed for nothing who would have preferred that action not be taken given the facts, little factually-challenged fella.

"Name 5 things of substance they have done in the last year and hosting Cindy Sheehan doesn't count.

Ya mean besides blocking the jimi douglas experience from continuing to systematically destroy the State of Vermont?

You're ignorant trash with bupkis, schmuck. Clearly, the Majority of Vermonters continue not to buy Bush's brain-dead BS any more than they're buyin' your ignorant slop.

Dismissed.
 
If one can confine themselves to the facts, one can't help but notice how in finishing a distant second while getting just over 50 percent of the vote Obama received in winning the Democratic Primary, Hillary Clinton still managed to garner more votes that Clueless McCain and Huck Finnished combined.

Of course, admittedly, those results were based solely on the scientific part of the poll.


Time to take out the Tack Back Vermont trash again.
 
Off the topic, but would like Bubba to know that auto factory workers in the South who make $7.00 per hour now figure they are working for gas money.
 
Source of the above information about auto workers is CNN online 3/24/08--Bubba's favorite website.
 
Oh really? Guess there's gonna be a lot of workers headed for Vermont for all them good jobs mowing flatlander's lawns and cleaning out them Ben and Jerry vats. Good thing gas is so cheap in Vermont!
 
Seven dollars an hour isn't even minimum wage in Vermont!
 
They're the ones complaining about working for gas money. Speak to the Alabamans about it.
 
Dr Bupkis,

To your 2:52PM posting thank you, as always, for that factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, Anti-American, ignorant-trash take on the issue, my little delusional one.

The rest of the country can rest easy now that VT and the Coopster has spoken. CNN will be calling you shortly for a sound bite Dr. B. Keep it clean for the national audience.
 
I could find no such article on any of CNN's websites.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/24/news/economy/camden_alabama/index.htm?cnn=yes
 
Anonymous said...

"To your 2:52PM posting thank you, as always, for that factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, Anti-American, ignorant-trash take on the issue, my little delusional one."

Nice try, little factually-challenged, Anti-American Scum fella.

You're gonna have to do a bit more than steal my lines to make a case, schmuck.

You're gonna need the very facts and evidence you've been avoiding like Cheney avoids reality and Ahmadinejad avoids wearing Star of David medallions.

Just which specific facts in the cited post does your ignorant, ill-informed, bigoted-trash ass question, deduce bag?

Precisely which facts contained in that that post is it that you question, little UnAmerican trash fella?

Is it your contention that Hillary did not garner more votes finishing a distant second to Obama than Clueless McCain and the Huckster combined?

As always, feel free to provide any and all evidence in support of that ignorant slop. Let's see your cards, schmuck.

Gee, bupkis. I'm shocked.

Once again, having proven yourself to be nothing more that factually-challenged, Anti-American, lying scum without a clue or a case making bogus allegations you can never substantiate when pressed on the facts and your ever-present lack of supporting evidence, you ham-handedly attempt to change the subject and scope of the matter before us in the desperately-delusional hope that nobody will notice.

I noticed.

My remarks were specifically targeted to the Doyle Poll and its findings. This poll concerns Vermont.

It doesn't matter if the white-supremacist slime vote in Vicksburg puts McCain over the top in Mississippi, little fella.

Vicksburg ain't in Vermont, punk.

That's a fact.

"The rest of the country can rest easy now that VT and the Coopster has spoken. CNN will be calling you shortly for a sound bite Dr. B. Keep it clean for the national audience."

An, the ol' you're right and everybody else is wrong and no one's allowed to express an alternative view or present the other side of the story, song and dance. Gee, who coulda seen that comin'.

Nice try, schmuck.

A deliberate lie with no basis in fact is not a side of the story. It's just a deliberate lie with no basis in fact.

You're not factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, White-Supremacist slime with bupkis merely because I disagree with your delusional-dreck, deducebag.

To the contrary, I disagree with you and your factually-challenged, bigoted-trash bupkis case because you consistently demonstrate that your delusional-dreck has no basis in fact.

You're factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, ignorant trash with bupkis because you're factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, ignorant trash with bupkis.

I didn't make you lyin' Anti-American slime spewin' ignorant slop with no basis in fact any more than I made at least 4000 US Troops die in Iraq, schmuck. You did that on your own, deduce bag.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that at least 4000 US Troops have died in Iraq and you're still ignorant trash with bupkis who continues to be dumb, scum and an unjustifiable, unworthy waste of oxygen of dogs the world over.

Fact is, your ignorant ass didn't need me to pull off that trick, either.

Just the facts, ma'am.

Disappear.
 
bubba said...

"I could find no such article on any of CNN's websites."

That's because it's fact-based material listed on the website of a legitimate news channel.

You're down 0-2 before ya step up to the plate, schmuck.
 
At 9:53 PM Dr. Bupkis posts 26paragraphs and 512 words and sets a new record 2 facts: Vicksburg ins't Vermont and 4000 casualties in Iraq. Congrats Dr. B, its your first facts in months. Apparently you remember 5th grade geography and read the headline from yesterday's paper. Neither terrible insightful or useful but facts none the less. Outside of that the rest are insults and opinions. I thought you were a man of facts and proof but yet time after time you offer none. When its crunch time, you merely make vague references to Doug Hoffer.... hmmm
 
Setting aside all the commonly argued reasons to not leaglized marijuana, I wonder how many of the 55% supporting legalize marijuana also support the no smoking campaigns...designate smoking areas, smoke-free restaurants, etc. because of the effects of second hand smoke.


There is no stronger reason to not smoke pot than to look at the residue it leaves in a pipe. That stuff ends up in your lungs. Cripes.

You worry about the adverse health effects of cigarettes but not marijuana.
 
JWCOOP10 says: "
An, the ol' you're right and everybody else is wrong and no one's allowed to express an alternative view or present the other side of the story, song and dance. Gee, who coulda seen that comin'."

Coopy...show me one place where I or any one on this board short of you has said I am right and you are wrong ...or that no one is allowed an opposing point of view.

The postings here have been pretty civilized up until your appearance. I think you have introduced the gutter talk, insults and intolerance to the board. Opposing views were posted regularly until you constant childish behavior reduced the postings to childish jibberish. The sparring between Hoffer and others was child's play. It all seems to have changed post-Coop.

Congrats on your effect.
 
I second that! You don't see this bitter back-and-forth on other VT political blogs . . .

JW, please, chill with all the "bupkis", "ignorant", and "dismissed" crap. It is beneath you, it's not funny, and it doesn't help you make your arguments.

We are all adults here, trying to have rational discussions about matters of the day. If I may get cheesy for a second, remember that democracy is predicated on us being able to debate important matters in a civilized, respectful manner. Saying that someone is "ignorant" or a "schmuck" because they hold a different viewpoint than yours is certainly not in that spirit. Haven't you been watching "John Adams" on HBO?

You seem to have some brains, JW, so please join us in an adult dialogue and leave the trash talking for the kids on the playground.

Thank you in advance for your understanding and, hopefully, your cooperation.
 
Good luck. JW is a bright person, but he lets Bubba get the best of him/herself every time.

I'm sure JW will now call me "ignorant" or some other term of endearment, but s/he should understand that some people are looking for civil discourse when they post on here.

As for Bubba...the BFP should just block his/her posts.
 
Bubba is far more cvil than Coopy has ever been.... a choir boy in comparison


my two cents
 
JW ask your idol (or idle?) Tony P. what did he do with the missing milk money
 
You are probably right, the BFP should block my posts. Time to weed out the non-leftists that occasionally pop up, remnants of a former time in Vermont. Let's stop bringing up those pesky facts that differ from what we get from the JFO and Doug Hoffer; what we get from the global-warming fanatics; from the gay-marriage crowd; from the surrender monkeys; from the CLF, VPIRG, and the rest of the "smart" (read "NO") growth trustfunders. Hey you could rename this blog "Green Mountain Daily"! or "the world according to jw".
 
"People who send excessive texts and emails may have a mental illness, according to an article in a leading psychiatric journal."

Oh. So this explains the Douglas staffers obsession with their blackberrys.
 
These results are skewed hard left (as were most votes on Town Meeting Day) due to the presence of a high-profile contested primary on the Dem side only. I hope Dems become complacent and think these results are genuinely representative of where Vermonters are at on these issues.
 
"You are probably right, the BFP should block my posts. Time to weed out the non-leftists that occasionally pop up, remnants of a former time in Vermont."

"Let's stop bringing up those pesky facts that differ from what we get from the JFO and Doug Hoffer; what we get from the global-warming fanatics; from the gay-marriage crowd; from the surrender monkeys; from the CLF, VPIRG, and the rest of the "smart" (read "NO") growth trustfunders. Hey you could rename this blog "Green Mountain Daily"! or "the world according to jw"."

AKA Reality.

Bubba, as the archives clearly demonstrate, you haven't made a factual argument since ya got here.

Disappear.
 
JW...the same comment can be made about you. Insults are not factual arguments.
 
barreboy said...

"These results are skewed hard left (as were most votes on Town Meeting Day) due to the presence of a high-profile contested primary on the Dem side only."

Actually, it's due to a steadily-increasing number of Vermonters who thing you're full of horsebrit and a rapidly-receding number of Take Back Vermont-trash nitwits who share your factually-challenged philosophy, little fella.

"I hope Dems become complacent and think these results are genuinely representative of where Vermonters are at on these issues."

You'd better, little fella, 'cause the "Gee. Look how much the price of gas has gone up in the past 8 years! Let's keep the loons who made it happen!!" delusional-dreck sales pitch might not go over so well.

Disappear.
 
wow. so much for the group therapy approach.
 
"JW...the same comment can be made about you. Insults are not factual arguments."

Not by the likes of you, little factually-challenged fella.

Ignorant slop devoid of factual content is not serious argument, little fella. It's just ignorant slop devoid of factual content.

Moreover, anonymous slime attempting to pass off said ignorant slop as serious argument by serious advocates of a legitimate point of view worthy of careful consideration, deliberation and debate when the facts clearly and consistently demonstrate that they're none of the above deserve to be nuked, nameless nitwit.

Go cheney yourself, chump. You're dumb, you're scum and you're wastin' the oxygen of dogs the world over.

Disappear.
 
yawn.
 
Know what JW? I'm gonna take your advice and do just that: disappear. You have ruined the comments section of this blog, just like you set out to do.

BFP should never have let you trash all the other participants here for this long.

You got bupkis, JW, and you sir are a Grade A Asshole!

Congratulations, winner.
 
JW,

Thanks. You just proved what a world class idiot your truly are.

Your eloquent quote: "Ignorant slop devoid of factual content is not serious argument, little fella. It's just ignorant slop devoid of factual content." is a re-wording of what I have told you for weeks and you insulted and dismissed. Now that it fits your rant, you seem to agree with it.

Your equally eloquent spew: "Actually, it's due to a steadily-increasing number of Vermonters who thing (Note JW: you really should spell check and proof your rants. The word you wanted here was 'think') you're full of horsebrit and a rapidly-receding number of Take Back Vermont-trash nitwits" is exactly what Bubba has said forever and, since the day you crawled out from under your rock, you have attacked vilely.

To take a play out of your playbook, let me cut and paste an applicable comment I have seen somewhere and suggest it to you.

Go cheney yourself, chump. You're dumb, you're scum and you're wastin' the oxygen of dogs the world over.

Disappear.
 
JW where is the milk money?????
Or is stealing from hardworking farmers OK as long as you are a left wing whacko running for Governor named Tony P
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Doyle survey results":

"JW where is the milk money?????"

Ah, the ol' "now that my nameless-nitwit nonsense has been laid bare for the brain-dead, bush-league bigotry it is, I'll change the subject and hope nobody notices." song and dance.

I noticed. You're ignorant trash with bupkis, schmuck. That's not gonna change until you do.

Nameless-nitwit with bupkis, where's the list of my pro-pollina comments that don't exist?!!

You made the unfortunate choice to become ignorant trash, punk. Don't blame me for your consistently-clueless, questionable career choices, schmuck.


Dismissed.
 
yawn
 
Non-responsive, nameless-nitwit neo-nazi nonsense.
 
yawn.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Doyle survey results":

JW,

"Thanks. You just proved what a world class idiot your truly are."

No, but your pathetic attempt to run this pitiful play again demonstrates the severity of your delusional-dreck merchant malady as it burnishes your delusional-dreck-dealing-deducebag resume and further establishes your bone-headed bona fides, little fella.

As ignorant trash with bupkis goes, you're world class.

"Your eloquent quote: "Ignorant slop devoid of factual content is not serious argument, little fella. It's just ignorant slop devoid of factual content." is a re-wording of what I have told you for weeks and you insulted and dismissed."

Really? Does the factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest rooster with to take credit for the dawn now or are ya gonna leave that for the little bigot boy, deducebag?

Nice try, nitwit. No sale.

It's merely a statement of fact that I've been pointing out since I got here, little factually-challenged fella, but it's sweet of ya to say so all the same.

As ignorant trash incapable of thought goes, you're very thoughtful that way, little fella.

"Your equally eloquent spew: "Actually, it's due to a steadily-increasing number of Vermonters who thing (Note JW: you really should spell check and proof your rants. The word you wanted here was 'think') you're full of horsebrit and a rapidly-receding number of Take Back Vermont-trash nitwits" is exactly what Bubba has said forever and, since the day you crawled out from under your rock, you have attacked vilely."

Nice try, nitwit, but the BFP achives are brimmin' with Bubba's brain-dead slop and your nameless-nitwit nonsense since well before I got here, little factually-challenged fella.

The fact that the Sun has risen and set as the seasons have changed is not the result of your ignorant slop, schmuck.

Thanks for catchin' the thing/think typo, little fella. That's my bad.

As for the eloquence you keep attributing to me, again, while that's sweet of ya to say, but it's just a simple statement of fact.

"To take a play out of your playbook, let me cut and paste an applicable comment I have seen somewhere and suggest it to you."

Knock yourself out, nitwit. It's not like ya got anything of your own to work with and it saves me the trouble of typin' it.

It's not like ya can run on your track record or argue the merits, little fella. There aren't any.

Go cheney yourself, chump. You're dumb, you're scum and you're wastin' the oxygen of dogs the world over.

Disappear.
 
yawn.
 
You are so cool jw. I'll bet all the guys on the playground want to be just like you.

How do you manage to post so often and where did you learn all these neat words? My mom doesn't let me use the internet until my homework is done and I have finished all my chores.
 
jwcoop10 says bla, blah, blah
 
Looking at Obama's tax return (see the Bloomberg article below), he certainly doesn't seem to be big on donations. What happened to the concept of giving back to the community?

Captain America
----------------------------

Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income

By Ryan J. Donmoyer and Julianna Goldman

March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.

The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.

The Obamas made their church, Trinity United Church of Christ, one of the biggest beneficiaries of their philanthropy, donating $27,500. Obama is under scrutiny for his ties to the church because of comments made by its senior pastor.

Their biggest gift in 2005 and 2006 combined was $31,000 to Atlanta-based CARE, an organization fighting global poverty.

The Obamas also gave $13,107 to the Congressional Black Caucus in 2006 as well as $5,000 to the Muntu Dance Theatre, where Michelle Obama serves on a capital campaign committee with Bob Nash, a deputy campaign manager for Clinton.
 
More pearls of wisdom from Obama's pastor... What do we really know about Barack except he won't disavow this bigot?

Captain America

------------------------------------

Obama's Pastor Slurs Italians in Latest Magazine
By Penny Starr
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
March 26, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor emeritus of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been a member for two decades, slurred Italians in a piece published in the most recent issue of Trumpet Newsmagazine.

"(Jesus') enemies had their opinion about Him," Wright wrote in a eulogy of the late scholar Asa Hilliard in the November/December 2007 issue. "The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."

Wright continued, "From the circumstances surrounding Jesus' birth (in a barn in a township that was under the Apartheid Roman government that said his daddy had to be in), up to and including the circumstances surrounding Jesus' death on a cross, a Roman cross, public lynching Italian style. ...

"He refused to be defined by others and Dr. Asa Hilliard also refused to be defined by others. The government runs everything from the White House to the schoolhouse, from the Capitol to the Klan, white supremacy is clearly in charge, but Asa, like Jesus, refused to be defined by an oppressive government because Asa got his identity from an Omnipotent God."

Every issue of the magazine published last year included Wright's column, "The Message," in which he covered a range of subjects, including his views on other African-American churches as expressed in his April 2007 commentary "Facing the Rising Sun."

"In a world that is controlled by white supremacy, in a country that is on its way to hell in a hand basket because of lying politicians, in a culture that still thinks 'white is right' and with young people who do not have a clue as to our story, our history, our legacy or our destiny, we still have African-American Christians who are more concerned about 'bling bling' than about freeing our minds," Wright wrote.

In a nationally broadcast speech on March 18, Obama distanced himself from Wright by saying he "condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy." But Obama also said, "I could no more disown him than I could disown the black community."

According to his federal income tax return for 2006, Obama gave the Trinity United church that year $22,500 in contributions.
 
From the guy who didn't want to make this a campaign about race....
Apparently it's ok to say one thing and then do another.

What do you really know about this inexperienced Senator?

Captain America

----------------------------

Gateway Pundit
Wednesday, March 26, 2008


Michelle Obama Campaigning for Change at the University of South Carolina
January, 2008

Oops!... She did it again!
Michelle Obama bashes America:

Here is the Michelle Obama going off on America- again: "We don't like being pushed outside of our comfort zones. You know it right here on this campus. You know people sitting at different tables- you all living in different dorms. I was there. You're not talking to each other, taking advantage that you're in this diverse community. Because sometimes it's easier to hold on to your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your own ignorance... That's America. So the challenge for us is are we ready for change?"

Oddly enough... Knowing that Michelle and her husband sat in front of a racist, anti-American preacher for 20 years sort of takes away from their whole "change" theme.
It does explain her disgust for the country, though.

posted by Gateway Pundit at 3/26/2008 03:53:00
 
Anonymous said...

"You are so cool jw. I'll bet all the guys on the playground want to be just like you."

Nah, it's more a question of not wanting to end up anonymous trash with bupkis like your ignorant ass, little factually-challenged fell.

Still, if I can provide a positive alternative and help save one kid from a life of nameless-nitwit nonsense, lunatic-fringe futility and the living hell of brain-dead bubbaism, I'm happy to do it.

How do you manage to post so often and where did you learn all these neat words?

Fifth Grade. Give it a spin, little fella. Another spin.

Ya want I should explain advanced techniques in neurosurgery first, little fella. Ya won't understand that either, but it'll give your ignorant ass a chance to warm up before ya get your clueless cabeza handed to ya.

"My mom doesn't let me use the internet until my homework is done and I have finished all my chores.

I don't blame her.

I always liked your Mom, little fella. I know you've been a tremendous disappointment and terrible burden to her. She deserves better than bupkis.

Give her my best and go cheney yourself, chump.

Dismissed.
 
The Doyle survey is not representative of voters.
 
Or conversely Dr. Bupkis, it must be legitimate because it is telling YOU what you want to hear.
 
Is it your contention that the vote totals aren't factual, little fella?

If so? How not and why not?

Is that too tough for ya, sport?
 
My warped point of view, eh, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest fella.

Is it your contention that the majority of Vermont Voters have a "warped" point of view?

If so, how so and why?

Can ya answer that?

Are ya up to the task, little fella?
 
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