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9.02.2008

 

A few points of view

Say you are a conservative and the McCain campaign was trying to win you over with its vice- presidential pick. Then you find out the nominee-to-be, Sarah Palin, has a 17-year-old unmarried daughter who is pregnant.

Are you less apt to be won over? Or do you say, well, at least she isn't having an abortion?

Say you are the McCain campaign and you know that your pick for VP's daughter is unmarried and pregnant. Can you be confident it won't backfire?

Say you are Sarah Palin, and McCain asks you to be his VP. You tell him your 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant and he tells you he is OK with that. How do you decide to put your daughter through that?

- Terri Hallenbeck

Comments:
The pregnancy of Gov. Palin's daughter is just a distraction. Sen. McCain is 72; he had cancer. If he is elected, it is feasible that his V.P. may have to take over. Gov. Palin has too little national and international political experience to be president.
 
I agree the pregnancy is not an issue. But I am amazed a family is prepared to take this on with one challenging newborn and another on the way. I couldn't do it and I wouldn't want to put my daughter in this spotlight.

However, I am shocked that McCain judges she is prepared to be President after meeting only once before the day he asked her to be his VP. If two short meetings is enough to pick a VP for the USA, will he even interview candidates for Chair of the Joint Chiefs? How about Amdassador to Iran? One of the key jobs of the President to make sure the best people are in the top jobs. Is McCain excercising good judgement here?

Apparently Lt Gov Dubie thinks so. He gushed about Palin's preparedness for the Presidency on VPR today.

She was mayor of a town the size of Bristol, VT and then governor of a small state with no money trouble for 20 months. Gives me the shivers.

Jim Douglas is far qualified than Palin. And that gives me the shivers, too.
 
Obama has too little national and internationl political experience to be President and Sen Biden has had 2 cerebral aneurysms. So what's the difference- I agree, the daughter is a distraction.
 
It just amazes me to hear this crap from liberals - can you imagine the response from the leftist media, TV networks, and bloggers to this blog if Republicans were questioning a LIBERAL woman's fitness to be ANYTHING? I have never seen a more incompetent woman in my life than Madeleine Kunin - look what she did to Vermont - and did the libs EVER criticize her? Libs are all for breaking this imaginary glass ceiling - for left-leaning women only!
 
There were easily a dozen more qualified potentials that didn't have the the Jerry Springer drama that comes with Palin.

McCain is reckless.
 
Say you’re a member of the liberal press and McCain picks a competent respecatable female running mate. You try to imply it was done only to try to “fool” Clinton supporters into voting Republican. Say no one takes that malarkey seriously.

Then you find out that this woman’s 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. Do you try to make a non-issue into an issue or do you stick with the real issues?
 
"How do you decide to put your daughter through that?"

Palin didn't decide to put her daughter through this. You and the rest of the media have decided to put her through it. It is only an issue because the collective media can't think of serious issue to address and it is so easy and fun to publicly drag someone through the mud. Be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating a conversation that should never have happened. Think about how you would like a conversation about all your family's pitfalls since we place our trust in you to tell us the news? Don't we have the right to know all your failings?

Perhaps you should actually take some time to address a substantial issue that may in fact have some impact.

Captain America
 
For a State that fights to protect the rights of child abusers, I would think you would all be appalled that this story is aired in public.

Apparently she has fewer rights?
Can you say hypocrite?
 
We wouldn't even know about this except that the McCain campaign gave the story to Reuters News Service yesterday. (It was apparently very old news in Wasilla, AK.) It's only one more thing in the very long list of problems with Palin being VP. And the very long list of why McCain is not to be trusted with decision-making for the country--he's had how long to pick a qualified running-mate and this is the best he came up with? Desperate and reckless. Yikes.
 
Yikes is Obama!!
 
McCain gave it to Reuters after the media was in Alaska digging into the Palin's family background.

McCain has nothing to hide. It really wasn't your business until the media decided they were on the trail of a hot story.

Should he have told the straight facts or should he have waited for those bastions of unbaised news, the Daily Kos, run unchecked with their lies and innuendo?

Be ashamed.
 
If we are going to discuss Sarah Palin's daughters' activities at 17 then we must also discuss what Obama was doing at 17- drinking alcohol and using cocaine - directly from his autobiography.
 
You have to love how the GOP circles its wagons around this obvious embarrassment. If this were the Democrat nominee for VP, the Rove machine would already have an ad out talking about the heathen nominee and how her tramp daughter had a baby underage and out of wedlock. They would also pile on about leaving an infant at home to be nursed by a snowmobile racer. Now the GOP wants to Democrats to act like this is a non-issue. Sorry Charlie. It's an issue. The state police scandal is lining up on the tarmac.
 
Palin is such a breath of fresh air to republicans... Let's look at her record!

On Fiscal Responsibility -- John McCain opposes earmarks and "pork spending" from congress. Mayor Palin asked for and rec'd nearly $27 million in federal earmarks - not bad for a small town of almost 7000 people.

And, when she was elected governor, she left her poor town with $19 million of long term debt.

On tax-cutting - as Governor she led the fight to increase taxes on oil companies. And also pushed an increased sales tax to pay for a rec center which included a hockey rink for this "hockey mom"!

On the environment - Governor Palin is an ardent supporter of drilling for oil in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge.

And she says that golbal warming is not real.

On ethics - as mayor in 2003, Palin became the director of the Ted Stevens - Excellence in Public Service, Inc.,which was a front for a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. So much for fighting special interests.

By the way, GOP Sen Ted Stevens of Alaska has been indicted for concealing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gifts and services from a company in his home state.

Gov Palin is breath of fresh air all right, she has been breathing the same air that GOP Washington insiders have been brreathing for years.

She would fit right in if elected.
 
no, she's no angel.
 
Colby at Broadsides.org nails this one.
 
Okay. I read Snarky's take on Palin (x2) but I can't get past the irony of a blogger taking potshots at other bloggers for blogging. Kind of sanctimonious tone to the words too. Snarky's a purist when it comes to blogging. The rest are those new school kids.
 
Palin has visited three countries, including Canada. Is there someone on YOUR local selectboard who should have their finger on the button?
 
NEK said...

"Obama has too little national and internationl political experience to be President and Sen Biden has had 2 cerebral aneurysms. So what's the difference- I agree, the daughter is a distraction.

Obama has a brain that functions. McCain doesn't.

McSame is 72. He's had four bouts of Melanoma.

If some racist slimeball claims "God told him to shoot Obama and does so, Biden is prepared to be President from Day One.

McCain isn't. He had his chance eight years ago. He let bush, rove and the gop-slime society roll him.

He let the swift-boat slimeballs lie about Kerry four years ago.

He has no integrity. If he did, he wouldn't be a gop.

Palin is qualified to be the seventh caller on a radio call-in show.

Again, her proximity to Canada and Russia don't make her an expert on Foreign Affairs any more than her proximity to the North Pole make her a close personal friend of Santa Claus.

Say goodnight, greasy.
 
"putting your family through this" wouldn't be an issue if she was a he. Everyone would just assume that the wife would manage everything. Turns out liberals only extend their view of gender equality to people they agree with.
 
Anonymous...

"putting your family through this" wouldn't be an issue if she was a he. Everyone would just assume that the wife would manage everything. Turns out liberals only extend their view of gender equality to people they agree with."

That is one bad ignorant, anonymous-trash Gloria Steinem impression, little fella.

She put herself out as the Queen of Traditional Values, little fella. She brought this on herself.

If she wants a private life, she should retire from public life and return to private life.

Say goodnight, greasy.
 
This is life in 2008 we have got to get honest about things that happen and not be so judgemental!
 
Ok JWCoop. Let's see the facts that back up your words.

If you have any.
 
to Anon 4:59...you said "Now the GOP wants to Democrats to act like this is a non-issue. Sorry Charlie."

I think it was your man B.O. that (a) wanted the campaign to be a positive one from both sides fought at a higher level and (b) said families are off-limits. Don't you guys support what he has asked?
 
Terri Hallenbeck-
Why do you insist on continuing the slime against the the daughter when it is a none issue??
I don't remember you asking about the love child of John Edwards OR the cocaine and alcohol use of Obama OR the million dollar lawsuit Joe Biden's brother James and Biden's son Hunter are involved in!!
You fit in perfectly with the liberal left- do you also do postings on Daily Kos???
 
ABOUT SAR AH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla , Alaska . I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby.
There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly
sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
in Alaska . Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's
surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by
her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the
basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's
attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power
to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated"
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska 's top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that
an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't
like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to
nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's
mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march
to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.


CLAIM VS F AC T
."Hockey mom": true for a few years
."PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
."NRA supporter": absolutely true
.social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
.pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
."Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
."Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska .
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
.political maverick: not at all
.gutsy: absolutely!
.open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
.has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
."a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
.fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
.pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
.pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
.pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla's history.
.pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny +
Alaska ), you will find references to my participation in local
government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because
few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out
of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no
fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAV EA TS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The
day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the
current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Anne Kilkenny
annekilkenny@hotmail.com
August 31, 2008
 
Interesting that some Troll decided to make it look like Kilkenny posted directly to the Free Press.

When the day is done opinions are like electric coffee makers. Everybody has one and they all smell about the same.

http://fairlyconservative.com/the-race-for-president/a-chat-with-anne-kilkenny/

A chat with Anne Kilkenny
September 2, 2008 · 2 Comments

I said there would be truth somewhere in this one. I did a little detective work and confirmed the original version Anne e-mailed to friends. You’ll note that she asked her e-mail not be used, so I won’t. Others haven’t been so respectful. The version posted on the Washington Independent Web site is the original.

From the moose’s mouth, so to speak:

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

You may distribute it to your friends/email list with my name and email address attached, but I’m NOT willing to have it posted on a webpage with my name and email address attached (there’s too many kooks out there!)

Bottomline: the only thing Sarah Palin has in common with Hillary Clinton is her gender and good looks.

Anne
 
As far as "not picking on" Palin's daughter, Palin herself made a big issue out of her son serving in Iraq. Laudible, but you can't use your family as an asset, then say, "Don't bring my family into this" when it's not as advantageous for you as a caniddate.

And if Palin didn't know that there would be intense media scrutiny, then she truly is not prepared to run for national office.
 
You have gone off the deep end if you want to make that comparative analogy!
Joe Biden talks about his son going to Iraq- why doesn't he mention the other son who is involved in a million dollar lawsuit?
The Media picks & chooses what and who they want to trash!
 
jw - once again you talk about some "lies" spread about John Kerry by the Swiftboaters. Did you know that the million dollars offered by T. Boone Pickens for proof of any "lies" against Kerry is still up for grabs?

I thought so.
 
jw - perhaps you can tell us how and why Pickens had his "bluff called".

I thought so.

What's new - with all jw's bombast, whenever he is called to actually show proof of something, you suddenly don't hear any more about it! File this with "JFK was about to end the Vietnam War".
 
Gov. Palin is a temporary placeholder. After the convention she will withdraw for "personal reasons." Then Sen. McCain will appoint his first choice, Sen. Lieberman, when it's too late for the convention to object.
 
re: Palin pullout.

I see an article on Fortune that puts this at 12% chance.

The RNC crowd last night was confused. They didn't know when to clap, when to not. The camera's shot the crowd during the Bush and Lieberman speeches and many RNC'ers were "deer in the headlights". It was funnier than hell.

The other funny thing was it was quite obvious that the people offering opinion at the RNC didn't want to be asked any questions, even mild position questions. Hell, if you can't answer a question, what good are you to us.

An irony at one point was the McCain's advisor criticizing the sleaze against Palin. This person brought up the issue. It was not brought up by the media he was sitting with and questions didn't even touch the topic. The advisor went on criticizing the sleaze and then actually described what was actually said in detail. If he was upstanding, he would have stopped at the criticism. The details were a pity party. He's no better than the ones he criticized.
 
McCain is a compulsive gambler. It looks like he might lose this hand he played.
 
It will all come down to the debates.
 
"McCain is a compulsive gambler."

OK where is your proof?
 
I heard McCain gave someone 3:2 odds he'd "bag" Ms. Palin by June 2009. He's a trophy hunter, our Johnny boy.
 
The usual psycho-babble from jw, the usual lack of ANY evidence or PROOF save some DailyKos-like blogs from his fellow nut-cases! Truly certifiable.
 
At least we can count on him to come back with another rambling string of abuse.
 
Just count the number of times the word BLOG shows up in the URLs on your list Jiffy.

Too bad there is no edit button so you can clean up you mess and pretend it never happened.
 
Anonymous..

"Just count the number of times the word BLOG shows up in the URLs on your list Jiffy."

Sure, now count the number of times the words "New York Times", "ABC News" appear, little nameless-nitwit fella.

Clearly, your ignorant anonymous ass is a disciple of the brain-dead-bigot-bubba school of "thought" that if you don't furnish any evidence in any event relating to any case at any time, nobody can ever question it.

"Too bad there is no edit button so you can clean up you mess and pretend it never happened."

Yeah, that's a shame, schmuck.

Of course, your ignorant anonymous ass is perfectly free to compile a list of all the times I posted your - or anyone else for that matter - name, address, phone and e-mail address while periodically threatening your wife by name, little fella.

Then again, you are a student of the no evidence, no questions school of "thought", little fella.

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JWCoop contact info:

Jeffrey Cooper
894 GALLISON HILL RD
Montpelier, VT
802-223-1098

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So I take you are going to claim that long rant you did in response to my request for a long rant was not done?

Jeff you are my puppet.

The reason for bringing your wife’s name into this was to get under your skin. I’ve found that blowhards like you are intimidated and frightened of women.

Some becomes rapists, wife beater and other forms of scum. Some just post idiotic, repetitive, abusive nonsense on websites.

So what was it Jeff, were you mommy’s “special little man”? Did you have a private game that you two played and no one else was supposed to know about?

Or maybe it was you and daddy playing “prisoner of war”?

Maybe the old man just used to pound you to make a man out you. Is that it Jeff?

You’ve obviously been through some sort of heavy-duty abuse. We all want to help you get better Jiffy. Not really, you’re kind of like a car wreck. A person knows that it might make them sick or give them nightmares later but they just have to slow down and look at it.

You’re an abuser too. No idea if it goes beyond your verbal abuse here. If you are physically abusive of Maureen I hope she has support enough to get out. Failing that I’d hope she has the upper body strength to cave your skull in with that baseball bat from your childhood you won’t throw away.

I doubt you would have the courage for physical violence though. The idea of getting punished would be just too terrifying for you.

Interesting that the theme of prison rape used to be one of your big things back when you were foolonthill at the argus. Greatest fear is the greatest fascination eh Jiffy?

Naw, you seem more like the sort that would rage at a woman about how abusive she was being of you for expecting you to pick up your skid marked shorts off the bathroom floor every once in a while. Telling her that it is all her fault you don’t have a job. Jiffy the genius. Misunderstood by everyone and the one person who should be helping him is stabbing him in the back.

“WHY IF IT WERE NOT FOR ME, JEFF W. COOPER, WHERE WOULD SHE BE TODAY?!?!?!?”

Answer: In a happy home with someone who valued her.

Go find a ball game or some cartoons to watch Cooper and try to forget what a waste of life you are.

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Anonymous...

"Looking back over his post it must have been a man who raped Jeff.

Everything is asses with him."

No, but it's always brain-dead bupkis from the likes of your ignorant anonymous ass no matter how often you say it, little factually-challenged/nameless-nitwit fella.

Always a pleasure.

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Posted by JWCoop10 to vt.Buzz ~ a political blog at 8:56 PM, August 09, 2008
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Nice to see the truth still stikes you to the bone Coop.


Nobody here was one of the people that made your childhood a living hell pal.

Reality is YOU are the one that is scum.

Keep up with your game Jeff. It’s not going to do you any good though.

Looks at your hightops Jiffy.

What do you see?

Yup, urine stains.

I guess that means you’re still just a sad “little” man.

Oh by the way. You said this before:

“As opposed to some clueless-cretin who feels compelled to spew psychotic slop you can't substantiate and frequently can't spell when they're not going looking into other people's profiles and posting their name, their wife's name, address, phone number, making crank, threatening calls to their wife, pretending to be from the TA or Freeps or making thinly-veiled threats against them against them or their family, like, oh, say, your ignorant, anonymous ass is doin' now and leavin' a paper trail to prove it, for example, eh, little nameless-nitwit fella?”

NEVER did I post that your address was 894 GALLISON HILL RD, I only said you were in Montpelier. Big difference Jeff.

I suppose next you’ll be claiming I posted a link to Google maps like this one:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&q=montpelier+vt+%22894+Gallison+Hill%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title


Now Jiffy why don’t you show me the threat you claim I made. Hmmmmmmmmmmm? How about the Caller ID with my phone number on it? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

No matter how many times you claim I made any calls to your home it will not make it true. To use an expression that is all the rage with those of a mental age of ten or less; “All of which brings us to the inescapable conclusion that you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis.”

Jiffy, you are nothing. A big fat, impotent, flatulent zero.

Getting to you this point of hysterical confusion and rabid paranoia took almost no effort at all. I suspect if you ever went out in the real world you would soil yourself in terror if a little girl gave you a mean look.

Naw Coopsie. Stay nice and safe behind your computer being a jerk. You’ll be happier and so will about five billion other people

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Posted by Anonymous to vt.Buzz ~ a political blog at 9:36 PM, August 09, 2008
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Wow Jeff.

Such rage and stupidity.

Relax Coopsy. I'm not trying to frighten you. I'm just pointing out what an idiot you are.

Thanks for helping with that.

Never called your wife. Harassing calls are a crime. I'm not into crime. Too boring.

Not sure what the rant about Doug Hoffer is.

Time to have your meds checked again Coop?

The only reason I showed up was to help point out the obvious. That you are nothing but a sad little clown with one foul mouthed trick.

If someone decides to pay you a little visit to give you the healing touch or has a little chat on the phone with you it would not hurt my feelings any.

Maybe you want someone to kick the pudding out of you. I've heard there are some guys out there having "issues" with latent tendencies that like men to beat them. I’d say if that is the case talk to a good shrink about it instead. You really don’t need any more brain damage. You just need to figure out who you really are.

On the other hand maybe you just like pain. Hey, different strokes for different folks. Do what ever turns you on Jiffy. I don't want to see the home movies though.

Now my little puppet. Write me another long rant spewing the same silly lines you've been throwing at everyone for years.

I do so like having you as my little wound up toy.

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JWCoop contact info:

Jeffrey Cooper
894 GALLISON HILL RD
Montpelier, VT
802-223-1098

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&q=montpelier+vt+%22894+Gallison+Hill%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

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jwcoop10...
Why don't you just stop writing, it would help all of us a lot more. oh yeah get a refill on you meds douche bag

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Coop's address is old news. He is already on my Christmas Card list. Laura and I plan on visiting him this February once we are a little less pre-occupied with perpetrating all the atrocities he alleges.

We think he is a hoot! Better than the funny papers!

Keep up the great work Coopy.
G.W. Bush

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Posted by Anonymous to vt.Buzz ~ a political blog at 7:23 AM, August 12, 2008

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Jeffrey W. Cooper can be reached at 802-223-1098.

If Maureen answers politely ask to speak to Jeff.

Remember, she's not one of the "two clowns"

Got to go wax the little car now.

HONK, HONK!!

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Posted by Anonymous to vt.Buzz ~ a political blog at 7:19 PM, August 10, 2008

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So I'm "factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/ignorant trash with bupkis"?

I guess I don't get why you have been bawling like a cranky baby about me exposing too much about your identity if I didn't have my facts right.

Sorry pal but the only "bupkis" (nothing) I have is you.

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JWCoop Tourette's syndrome hotline contact info:

Jeffrey Cooper
894 GALLISON HILL RD
Montpelier, VT
802-223-1098

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&q=montpelier+vt+%22894+Gallison+Hill%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

http://jwcoop10.stumbleupon.com/

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Posted by Anonymous to vt.Buzz ~ a political blog at 11:17 PM, August 11, 2008

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Jeffrey W. Cooper from Montpelier -- thanks for your input.

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JWCoop Charm School contact info:

Jeffrey Cooper
894 GALLISON HILL RD
Montpelier, VT
802-223-1098

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&q=montpelier+vt+%22894+Gallison+Hill%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

http://jwcoop10.stumbleupon.com/

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Posted by Anonymous to vt.Buzz ~ a political blog at 6:03 PM, August 11, 2008

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Jeffrey W. Cooper from Montpelier -- thanks for your input.
 
Gee Wiz Jiffy.

A BLOG no matter where it is posted is still a statement of OPINION. Had you bothered to post anything that was NEWS you might have had something.

For a guy that howls so much about others not posting their identities you sure do get upset about having yours exposed.

Not that using JWCoop10 makes it all that hard to figure out.

What's with that?
 
Anonymous said...

"Just count the number of times the word BLOG shows up in the URLs on your list Jiffy."

You do realize that Blogs link to news reports from legitimate newspapers and news-gathering operations, don't you, little fella?

Take, this one, for example.

Stay cold, phony boy.

At least that, we know ya can handle.
 
"You do realize that Blogs link to news reports from legitimate newspapers and news-gathering operations, don't you, little fella?"

The manure pile is also linked to the barn by the gutter cleaner.

What you find out on the pile is not USDA prime no matter what the quality of the beef produced inside the barn is.

Further, those patties you've been flipping are not ground round Jeff.
 
Anonymous said...

"You do realize that Blogs link to news reports from legitimate newspapers and news-gathering operations, don't you, little fella?"

"The manure pile is also linked to the barn by the gutter cleaner."

"What you find out on the pile is not USDA prime no matter what the quality of the beef produced inside the barn is."

Clearly, once again, you speak from a great wealth of personal experience, little fella.

You certainly do chow down on a regular basis around here.

So, you subscribe to bubbles boy's notion that the best way to avoid overeating, as it were, is not to offer any evidence at all.

That could work for ya, little fella. Lord knows nothin' else is.
Give it a spin and see if it comes up runny.

Say goodnight, greasy.
 
You got caught Jeff. It's beyond doing damage control so just be a man and admit it then get on with your life.

No amount of verbal abuse you can pump out is going to change the fact you got caught trying to prop up your non case with nonsense from the blogs.

Thanks for being you pal.
 
Anonymous said...

"You got caught Jeff. It's beyond doing damage control so just be a man and admit it then get on with your life."

I did, eh? I got caught doin' what, little nameless-nitwit, fella?

"No amount of verbal abuse you can pump out is going to change the fact you got caught trying to prop up your non case with nonsense from the blogs."

And you think the best way to make a case is to ignorantly and anonymously offer no evidence at all.

Nice try.


Thanks for being you pal."

And thanks for being ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis, little fella.

Say goodnight, greasy.
 
You got caught trying to pass off opinions from blogs as facts Jeff. We've covered that enough times so it should even sink in with you.

You're fifty five years old, not eleven. Try to act it.
 
Yeah, it'a about time.
 
Noticed an article in Newsweek (hardly a conservative magazine) re: letters from an Anne Kilkenny (see earlier 8/3 post in this blog). Seems she is actually a dimocrat activist sending blogs and letters around the country sliming Sarah Palin. Newsweek states that her wild claims are totally false, such as Sarah threatening a librarian, belonging to the Independent Party, ad nauseum. Sounds like Alaska has their own female version of jw!
 
bubba said...

"Noticed an article in Newsweek (hardly a conservative magazine) re: letters from an Anne Kilkenny (see earlier 8/3 post in this blog). Seems she is actually a dimocrat activist sending blogs and letters around the country sliming Sarah Palin. Newsweek states that her wild claims are totally false, such as Sarah threatening a librarian, belonging to the Independent Party, ad nauseum. Sounds like Alaska has their own female version of jw!"

Newsweek said that, eh, bubble boy. Then by all means, feel free to cite it chapter and verse, little factually-challenged fella.

Nekkie boy already got nailed lyin' about Dean trashin' flags in Denver. Ya gonna make it a two-fer?

Gee, bupkis. I'm shocked.

Another ignorant anonymous trash bluff. What are the odds.

Sounds like you've got your usual ignorant anonymous trash with a big side of bupkis, bubble boy.

Looks like it, too.

Disappear.
 
Cite it chapter and verse? You would then say I was making it up. Tell you what, go to google and enter "Newsweek and Anne Kilkenny". And like magic, there it is!!! Read the whole article, if you are up to it.

And if you want to read even worse comments from the scum of the earth, go to the Green Mountain Daily blog and read about Sarah Palin calling Barack "Sambo" and Hillary a "bitch"!In this case, there isn't EVEN A WITNESS NAMED! Just more filth from the swamps of Vermont.

Have a nice day.
 
bubba....

Latest polls: Bush, approval rating 30%; Congress, approval rating 17.8% (this includes Sanders, Leahy, and Welch)

Yeah, unfortunately, it also includes the lunatic-fringe, lyin'-slime, likes of Boehner, Blunt and Bond and the cluelessly-corrupt, soon-to-be-incarcerated likes of ted stevens, too, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest bupkis-boy fella.

That's what's draggin' down their popularity, bubble boy.

How many Dems in the White House?

How many Dems has this gop-slime injustice department been able to nail, bubble boy?


Always a pleasure.

Obama's just gonna cite the mcsame/gop-slime record and they're gonna think it's hell.

Keep on palin, putz. There's no raisin' mcsame.

Maybe clueless can get Gordon Lightfoot to write a sea chanty about his wreck, too.

Speakin' of which, what's with all these cease and desist orders from the Wilson Sisters to gop-slime headquarters?

They've pulled the plug on Palin's unauthorized use of "Barracuda" They didn't write it for the lunatic-fringe likes of her to rip off without so much as askin' their permission first.

Of course, they wouldn't have givin' it to her in the first place, but that's no reason to rip them off.

First Springsteen nails reagan for tryin' to steal Born in the USA, then Mellencamp puts the kibosh on clueless mcsame's use of Pink Houses and Small Town and Bob Seger tells him to stuff it for rippin' off "Like a Rock".

So much for gop-slime and the rule of law.

Evidently, they didn't like Prince's updated lyrics when they were tryin' to push that Twin Cities thing.

"This is what it sounds like when gops lie."

That could easily be played after every gop-slime speech made anyone, anywhere at anytime.

Guaranteed to always be topical and never go outta style.

Stay cold, phony boy.

Take it where the climate suits your sheet.

Disappear.
 
bubba said...

"Cite it chapter and verse? You would then say I was making it up. Tell you what, go to google and enter "Newsweek and Anne Kilkenny". And like magic, there it is!!! Read the whole article, if you are up to it."

Hey, you made the claim, bubble boy. You produce the evidence to back it up.

It's not my job to make your ignorant anonymous trash case for ya.

"And if you want to read even worse comments from the scum of the earth, go to the Green Mountain Daily blog and read about Sarah Palin calling Barack "Sambo" and Hillary a "bitch"!In this case, there isn't EVEN A WITNESS NAMED! Just more filth from the swamps of Vermont."

No, that would be your job, little fella. Gee, are you sayin' someone's musclin' in on your ignorant anonymous trash territory?

Bummer.

Again, feel free to cite it, schmuck. Your ignorant anonymous ass made the allegation.

It's up to you to substantiate it what you frequently can't spell, schmuck.

Say goodnight, greasy.
 
I hardly think Sarah Palin "stole" the name "barracuda" inasmuch as it was a nickname given her back in High school for her ferocious approach to basketball.

Idiot.
 
bubba said...

"I hardly think Sarah Palin "stole" the name "barracuda" inasmuch as it was a nickname given her back in High school for her ferocious approach to basketball."

Gee, that's swell. SFW, schmuck. The Wilson Sisters didn't give it to her and they don't like her stealin' their song and using it without their permission.
Evidently, they're not exactly crazy about her, her knuckle-draggin' nitwit politics or her Tennessee Taliban religious views she's tryin' to force down every one's throat.

They don't subscribe to scum vote politics and they don't want her using their song at Conventions and campaign rallies.

They don't support her and they don't want anybody thinkin' they do. It's bad for business.

They "Dixie-Chicked" her.

Just which part of that is givin' your ignorant anonymous ass trouble, bubble head?

If you ignorant-trash, gop-slime wanna call her sarahcuda, fine.

You're just gonna have to do it without using Heart's song, schmuck.

Am I still goin' too fast for ya, bubble head?

An admission that you "hardly think" ain't exactly news, bubble head, but, nevertheless, I'm glad to see you've come to grips with the fact that your ignorant anonymous ass has got a problem, little fella.

Just take it one day at a time.
 
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