14 debates is way over the top. People are already sick of how long the presidential campaign lasted - why on earth would Symington expect the public to sit through 14 debates after that?

A few big debates - with ALL major candidates - is the way to go. The debates should focus on whatever the candidates want to talk about.
 

That's funny - 14 (one per county) is considered too many!?

Gee, when Jim Douglas ran the first time, he insisted on dozens of debates - something in the 40s.

Now that he is an incumbent, he really wants to limit them - probably becuase he does not want to debate his record over the last 6 years.
 

The number of debates has nothing to do with how long the campaign is. The election is November 4th with or without debates.

I would rather see 14 debates then 100 30 second commercials. At least the candidates have to be quick on their feet opposed to having an ad agency write their message.

There should be roughly 8-10 debates on specific topics lick the economy, environment, healthcare and so on. Then there should be 2-3 debates that cover all the issues in one debate.

If they focus on whatever the candidates want to talk about all we'll hear is how great they each are. The debates should challenge them all on their knowledge and not just be an opportunity to regurgitate talking points.

I think it is a great idea to hold a debate in every county.
 

I agree with anonymous 4:03 - Set up debates - 1 per issue - and then along about late october schedule 2-3 to cover overall issues.
 

Why not set up a debate on impeachment and industrial hemp while we're at it?
 

Why not set up a debate on impeachment and industrial hemp while we're at it?

Nay, that's ok, Hemp already passed and the idiot Bush will be gone soon enough.

I'd prefer to stick to the issues that will actually be decided by the next governor not those that are old news.

VT jobs
Environment
Healthcare
Renewable Energy
Education
Farming
Economy
 

Anonymous said...

"14 debates is way over the top. People are already sick of how long the presidential campaign lasted - why on earth would Symington expect the public to sit through 14 debates after that?"

What's the problem, little fella? Does your ignorant anonymous ass think askin' the jimi douglas experience to defend their act over the past 6 years 14 times is gonna put your boy at a competitive disadvantage?

Always a pleasure.
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Yes, Douglas needs to defend six years of nothing and Symington has to defend four years of working with him instead of FOR Vermonters.
 

Debate all you want - at a certain point the voters will tune you out.
 

Ah, so now your ignorant anonymous ass thinks it's OK to debate 14 times because "at a certain point the voters will tune you out" and forget who's been at the helm for the past six years in an election year where the only real question is whether Vermont goes 2-1 or 3-1 for Obama over McCain at the top of the ticket in what promises to be a year of record turn out.

Well, it's worth a shot, little factually-challenged nameless-nitwit fella. Lord knows the facts ain't doin' doogie any favors.

Always a pleasure.
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Debate:

Symington can blame Douglass,Douglass can Blame the Legislature, or they just can both say that they work across the aisle and create non-solutions, all while Pollina expresses real policy discussions.

It will be great to hear and then people will realize that the political parties are playing political games and not responding to the issues of Vermonters. Pollina will bring about the change Vermont needs, instead of the partisan games of the past.
 

Anonymous said...
Debate:

"Symington can blame Douglass,Douglass can Blame the Legislature, or they just can both say that they work across the aisle and create non-solutions, all while Pollina expresses real policy discussions."

Douglas can blame the Legislature, eh?

Gee, I hate to confuse your ignorant anonymous ass with the facts, little fella, but how can Douglas blame Symington and the Legislature for their failure to override his vetoes of their legislation?

Is it your coalition of the clueless cretin contention that Symington held a gun to doogie's head and forced him to veto the legislation the Legislature sent him?

Good luck makin' that case. You might want to warm up slowly with somethin' light like findin' Saddam's WMD and his links to 9/11.

I'd hate to see your ignorant anonymous ass pull something right out of the gate unnecessarily.

"...Pollina will bring about the change Vermont needs, instead of the partisan games of the past."

As opposed to .... what, the partisan games of the future, little factually-challenged, nameless-nitwit fella?

If the Zucker Brothers ever make another sequel to "Airplane" and you're up for a part, feel free to put me down as a reference, little fella. Your ability to spew utterly-psychotic slop with a deadpan delivery is truly top-shelf.

Looks like the gops picked the wrong year to stop sniffin' glue.

Always a pleasure.
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Anthony has got it all wrapped up!
 

Anthony Pollina slams Gov. Jim Douglas' "Jim Equals Jobs" program
By Megan Stewart


Progressive gubernatorial candidate Anthony Pollina attacked today Republican Gov. Jim Douglas' plan to cut 150 positions within the state government while giving some administration officials "merit" bonuses.

Pollina branded Douglas' "Jim Equals Jobs" program as a failure, citing drops in employment in construction, manufacturing, and retail sectors amidst a dwindling economy and poor economic growth.

The Progressive candidate cited a recent report from the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston which revealed that this past year, the Green Mountain State's economic performance was the lowest it had ever been since 2002, when Douglas was elected governor. The report said "As a metric of overall economic health, the state's economic index grew a meager 0.9 percent between December 2006 and December 2007," and that it was "no surprise that Vermont was one of New England's poorest performing economies."

According to a Vermont Housing Finance Agency report published earlier today, Green Mountain State homeowners are also feeling the economic crunch as almost 516 families are now living in shelters, up from 429 in 2000, and the highest rate of homelessness in New England this past year.

Pollina called the governor's plan to "the wrong strategy at the wrong time," and continued to assail the incumbent governor for giving certain members of his administration bonuses, including Secretary of Commerce and Community Development Kevin Dorn, Secretary of Natural Resources George Crombie, and Spokesman Jason Gibbs.

The Progressive candidate said that the full cost of the merit bonuses totaled $285,000 in 2007, and were used to supplement raises while state workers' wages were frozen.

Pollina said that should he be elected governor, he would provide Vermonters with jobs repairing roads and bridges, and asked "the administration to cut the tax-payer funded public relations staff before eliminating the jobs of state workers who are on the front lines helping Vermonters get the services they need."
 

Symingtom has shown with her omissions that she is as useless as teats on a bull. What a friggin' joke for a Guv candidate. As someone that has had to work with her over the last decade I am embarrased to say she was our "leader"
 

Anthony will come in third. He always comes in third.

Over and over again, Vermont voters have turned Pollina down. It's time for him to go away already.
 

Douglas has shown with his omissions that he is as useless as teats on a bull. What a friggin' joke for a Guv. As someone that has had to work with him over the last decade I am embarrased to say he was our "leader"
 

Why not debate property taxes? Symington has been the single impediment to any discussion of meaningful tax relief for Vermonters as long as she has been behind the podium. As one of the chief architects of ACT 60 she doesn't want any changes to her baby. The NEA has her tied in knots and they too won't allow any change. Ask Rep Ann Manwaring of Wilmington (D) hew opinion of Symington. Symington needs to eat more Ben and Jerry's to help out her hubbies retirement fund. Tits on a bull Gaye
 

Screw democRATS
 

Anonymous said...

"Anthony has got it all wrapped up!"

Really? Well now that he's got it all wrapped up, is he gonna give the gift of another two years to the jimi douglas experience now or wait 'til after the election and have jimi act surprised for the cameras?

Always a pleasure.
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Anonymous

"Why not debate property taxes? Symington has been the single impediment to any discussion of meaningful tax relief for Vermonters as long as she has been behind the podium."

Really? Evidence? That's what I thought.

As one of the chief architects of ACT 60 she doesn't want any changes to her baby. The NEA has her tied in knots and they too won't allow any change."

Really? Evidence? That's what I thought.

Again, I hate to confuse ya with the facts, little fella, but if there's such a clamor on the part of Vermont property taxpayers for what the gops are offering as an alternative, the Dems would have wanted to get behind it if only for reasons of pure political survival. Evidently, there's not because they sure as hell didn't.

"Ask Rep Ann Manwaring of
Wilmington (D) hew opinion of Symington. Symington needs to eat more Ben and Jerry's to help out her hubbies retirement fund. Tits on a bull Gaye."

Hey, you raised Manwaring's name, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest nameless-nitwit fella. You tell us what she said and how any beef she has with Symington automatically translates to support for doogie's dimwitted delusional dreck.

That's what I thought.

So, let's review. In one pin-headed paragraph, your ignorant anonymous ass has managed to come out in opposition to any and all factual evidence in support of your latest load of delusional dreck, educational equality in the State of Vermont, Symington, the Legislature, the NEA, Ben and Jerry's, Vermont-based business using Vermont-based ingredients, free enterprise, the rule of law and democratically-elected government.

Congrats, that's gotta be a personal best even for the likes of your ignorant anonymous ass, little fella.

The folks must be so proud. They just might let you move out of the basement and back into your old room once they figure out where to put the ping pong table.

Always a pleasure.
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Here you go buttheadpoop:

"When asked what steps could be taken to ease the property tax
burden on local communities, she [Manwaring] commented that
'there are opportunities that are emerging, none of which will
result in concrete action in the next year. But, it is time to
start changing the discussion. Even if it's just to start raising
people's consciousness about how actions up there affect the
property tax down here. Momentum is building for some type of
change.'
'One opportunity is that (Gaye) Symington will not be there as a
leader,' Manwaring added. ... 'That doesn't mean a lessening of
the impact (of taxes), but it opens up some doors for discussion.
We may be able to have a discussion for a more structured way of
looking at the impacts of property tax...'" (Deerfield Valley
News, 6/12-18)
 

The current school funding law was supported and signed by Jim Douglas as Governor.
 

Pollina slams Douglas for paying merit bonuses

July 1, 2008

By Daniel Barlow Vermont Press Bureau

MONTPELIER – Gov. James Douglas' administration on Monday defended nearly $300,000 in merit bonuses given to state officials in the months before it proposed cutting 400 jobs from the state rolls due to the downturn in the economy.

The state government awarded about $280,000 in bonuses to more than 100 state workers in the last year, including top executive officials such as Secretary of Commerce Kevin Dorn and Douglas Spokesperson Jason Gibbs, Progressive candidate for governor Anthony Pollina said.

Pollina said Douglas, a Republican, should not have been giving out merit bonuses while planning to respond to the poor economy by eliminating state jobs and freezing the salaries of other workers. The state should be adding jobs, Pollina said, not cutting them.

"Some of them no doubt went to hard-working and deserving public servants," Pollina said. "But it is reasonable to ask why those responsible for faltering economic and environmental programs deserve merit bonuses while so many workers are losing their jobs."

Pollina singled out Gibbs, Dorn and George Crombie, the secretary of the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources, as among the officials who received unmerited bonuses last year due to what he described as a bad record on economic and environmental issues.

According to information released by the Pollina campaign Monday, Dorn received a bonus of about $2,600 and Crombie received $1,600. Bonuses started at around $500, although many of them were in the range of several thousand dollars, maxing out at about $5,000.

News of the merit bonuses comes less than two months after the end of the state's legislative session, during which one of the volatile topics among lawmakers and state officials was how to reduce the state budget. Vermont's state government is now on track to cut 400 jobs from the state's rolls, starting with about 150 positions that will be announced today. All of the job cuts are expected to come from already vacant or otherwise unfilled positions.

Linda McIntire, the deputy secretary of the agency of administration, said Monday that the merit bonuses were first awarded in July 2007, the start of the fiscal year and before the full extent of the tough economic times was clear.

"This is not different than what we've done every year since Gov. Douglas took office," she said. "It was the same under Gov. Dean."

But starting with this new fiscal year, McIntire said there will be no pay increases or merit bonuses for so-called exempt employees who make more than $60,000 a year, an initiative that Administration Secretary Mike Smith announced mid-way through this year's legislative session, she added.

"I can't really say if the decision would have been made or not," McIntire said, when asked if the state would have implemented that policy earlier had the full extent of the economic problems been known earlier last year.

Jason Gibbs defended the bonuses – and his own job performance – Monday afternoon. The Pollina's campaign assertion that he received two bonuses last year is incorrect, he said, because the 8.05 percent salary increase – just more than $5,000 — he received was because he took on the additional duties as the new secretary of civil and military affairs.

"I'm very proud of the job that I do and I'm proud of the work that I do for the governor," Gibbs said. "I work very hard and I always have the best interests of Vermont first."

During his press conference Monday, Pollina sought to connect the state of Vermont's economy to the upcoming job cuts and last year's wave of bonuses. The Middlesex resident pointed to a recent report from the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston that states, "Vermont was one of New England's poorest performing economies in 2007 …"

Pollina said the report shows that Vermont not only lost 800 construction jobs and 600 manufacturing jobs, but also 400 retails jobs, which he said "speaks to the cost of doing business, but also the drop in Vermonters' income."

He suggested that the governor should consider middle-management jobs or some of the administration's press secretaries as possible cuts instead of the workers on the ground.

"Like a hedge fund or Wall Street firm, the Douglas administration has given those at the top a bonus while those at the bottom lose their shirts," Pollina said.

Gibbs dismissed Pollina's recommendation as a "tired, old argument." He said he had not seen the report from the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, but added that Douglas has sought to strengthen the state's economy but has been held back and blocked by the Vermont Legislature, where Democrats hold strong majorities.

"A vote for Douglas is a vote for change and economic growth," Gibbs said. "We saw in the last session what happens when an out-of-mainstream legislature decides not to work on important issues such as property tax relief."

Michael Casey, the interim director of the Vermont State Employees' Association, said he was disturbed to learn that Douglas was giving out bonuses in the same year he was discussing cutting state jobs and freezing wages.

"It seems misguided that the heads of various agencies are being awarded merit bonuses while at the same time laying off their front line employees who provide public services," he said.

Contact Daniel Barlow at Daniel.Barlow@rutlandherald.com.
 

Why not debate?

What's Douglas got to hide?

If he's so good, why not step up and debate?
 

Anonymous

"Here you go buttheadpoop:

"When asked what steps could be taken to ease the property tax
burden on local communities, she [Manwaring] commented that
'there are opportunities that are emerging, none of which will
result in concrete action in the next year."

Gee, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/nameless-nitwit fella, your ignorant anonymous ass has provided evidence that:

"she [Manwaring] commented that
'there are opportunities that are emerging, none of which will
result in concrete action in the next year."

Wow, it doesn't get any more definitive than that. Well, except for this:

"But, it is time to start changing the discussion. Even if it's just to start raising people's consciousness about how actions up there affect the
property tax down here. Momentum is building for some type of
change.'
'One opportunity is that (Gaye) Symington will not be there as a
leader,' Manwaring added. ... 'That doesn't mean a lessening of the impact (of taxes), but it opens up some doors for discussion. We may be able to have a discussion for a more structured way of looking at the impacts of property tax...'" (Deerfield Valley
News, 6/12-18)

Gee, evidence that she doesn't like Symington and that she thinks a change in leadership would open up doors for discussion with no guarantees but that momentum is building for "some type of change."

Boy, Doogie won't get a more direct, specific, forceful and emphatic endorsement than that. That's why he'd better pray this remains a three-person race because in a two-person race, he's toast.

"..momentum is building for some type of change", eh? It doesn't get any more definitive than that!

Is your ignorant anonymous ass gonna tell me that's evidence of her changing parties now, too, little fella? Given the fact that she was elected by her constituents as a Dem, Doogie endorsed and signed the current law into effect and she's gotta stand for election in a Dem year with Obama at the top of the Ticket, if she changes uniforms, she just might be lookin' for work with the doogster.

Like I said in my original challenge to you, little fella.

"You tell us what she said and how any beef she has with Symington automatically translates to support for doogie's dimwitted delusional dreck."

You've managed to tell us what she said which is a hell of a lot more than you usually muster up, so I'll give your ignorant anonymous ass that much. That takes care of part one.

However, "you've yet to show how any beef she has with Symington automatically translates to support for doogie's dimwitted delusional dreck."

So far, you've coughed up your usual bupkis on that front. Ya got anything there? That's what I thought.

Ya better pray that Pollina persists in muddying the waters, little fella, because if he doesn't, Doogie's gonna have to get a real job.

Always a pleasure.
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Anonymous said...

"Why not debate?

What's Douglas got to hide?"

Ya mean besides his dismal six-year record of "achievement"?

"If he's so good, why not step up and debate?"

Well, if nothing else, he's smart enough to know that he's not that good. Ya gotta give him that much.
 

Evidently, Doogie and Jason Gibbs are of the opinion that what's in the best interests of Jason Gibbs and what's in the best interests of Vermont are one and the same.

Scooter thought that what was in the best interests of Scooter, Cheney and Shrub were in the best interests of the Country when he fed Judith Miller of the NYT bogus intel info for stories she had published in the NYT back in 2003, perjured himself and obstructed justice just long enough to allow Bush to steal another election and participate in the outing of Valerie Plame.

How's that workin' out for him? How was that in the best interests of the Country?

Always a pleasure.
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JWCoop spews....." if he doesn't, Doogie's gonna have to get a real job."

Interesting that you have implied the Gov's job is not a 'real' job. I assume you also then believe that Gaye has opted to run for something that is less than a 'real' job...perhaps a free ride.
 

Given the state of the VT economy is a significant issue, what is the attraction of either Gaye or Pollina? Neither has run a successful business. Gaye certainly didn't build a thriving business at the Intervale and Pollina seems to struggle paying his bills on time(although he is apparently pretty good at hanging at the coffee shops).

Why would we ever elect two sub-par players in the private sector to help us out of the economic woes the D's and P's have put us in?
 

Anyone hear that Gibbs guy on VPR today?

Boo hoo. I'm a hard working Vermonter, so let me be. I deserve everything Jim gives me.

That's it? That's your response? Pretty sad.

Bet those IBM workers and the state workers are hard working Vermonters too. They just don't serve as the governors chief boot licker.
 

What is the attraction of Douglas? He's never run a business.

He only cashes government checks.
 

Anonymous said...

"JWCoop spews....." if he doesn't, Doogie's gonna have to get a real job."

"Interesting that you have implied the Gov's job is not a 'real' job."

Utterly predictable that you would infer such delusional dreck in the midst of failing to make your latest clueless-cretin case, little fella.

Actually, to the contrary, little factually-challenged nameless-nitwit fella, I implied doogie's doing a real bad job as Governor of Vermont in this and most every post I've ever made concerning the jimi douglas experience.

Moreover, at this stage of the game, along with your clueless-cretin inability to substantiate your psychotic slop, unless proved or instructed otherwise, it's safe to assume that to be the case.

After all, as your ignorant anonymous ass has made abundantly clear in your tenure here, you can infer and assume anything you like, but when called upon to substantiate your specious slop, ah, not so much.

"I assume you also then believe that Gaye has opted to run for something that is less than a 'real' job...perhaps a free ride."

Again, you can infer and assume anything you like, little factually-challenged nameless-nitwit fella, but given the mess he's made of running the State of Vermont, neither Symington or anyone else is gonna have a free ride cleaning up the wreckage that is the jimi douglas experience.

Unlike you, jimi's managed to prove that.

Always a pleasure.
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Anonymous said...

"Given the state of the VT economy is a significant issue, what is the attraction of either Gaye or Pollina? Neither has run a successful business. Gaye certainly didn't build a thriving business at the Intervale and Pollina seems to struggle paying his bills on time(although he is apparently pretty good at hanging at the coffee shops)."

Well, little factually-challenged fella, given the fact that the jimi douglas experience has spent the better part of the past six years running Vermont into the ground and proving he's not up to the task of cleaning up the mess he's made of things - to say nothing of bringing new business to the State of Vermont - while vetoing everything the Legislature sends him before turning around and proposing the very legislation he'd previously vetoed and pretending it was his idea all along, your conclusion that he deserves another two years to complete the demolition derby that is the jimi douglas experience doesn't make a very convincing case even by your less than lofty standards.

"Why would we ever elect two sub-par players in the private sector to help us out of the economic woes the D's and P's have put us in?"

And once again, little factually-challenged, nameless-nitwit fella, given the fact that Doogie had Walt Freed as Speaker of the House and a gop-run, rubber-stamp General Assembly for the first of his three terms only to have the voters of Vermont take it away from him and replace that with a Dem Majority in both Legislative Bodies for his second and third terms who've proposed legislation only to turn around and have him veto it, just what "economic woes" have the Dems and Progs allegedly "put us into" and how did they do it given the fact that doogie's been able to veto everything they proposed and the General Assembly is six or seven votes short of a veto-proof majority capable of overriding his vetoes?

That's what I thought.

In other words, you're still dumb, you're still scum and your ignorant anonymous ass has still got bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up.

Always a pleasure.
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Governor Douglas has been an elected offical for over 25 years and has only held a private sector job for 2 years his entire life.

Well, I guess by your logic that's exactly why our economy is tanking.
 

Anonymous...

"Governor Douglas has been an elected offical for over 25 years and has only held a private sector job for 2 years his entire life.

Well, I guess by your logic that's exactly why our economy is tanking."

Now, it's tankin' because he's a lousy Governor whose policies haven't worked who's been able to veto legislation he didn't like and survive override attempts when the Legislature has attempted to stand up to him and stick up for the majority of Vermonters.

Granted, like the other 49 Governors, he's been a victim of the illegitimate, incompetent trash in the White House and its policies that have run the Country into the ground the way doogie's run Vermont into the ground.

Then again, he supports the illegitimate, incompetent trash in the White House and its disastrous policies so he doesn't have that as an excuse, either, which leaves him jimi just another lousy Gop Governor who's had a free hand for the better part of six years to demonstrate just how incompetent he is and how ineffective his policies are.

Always a pleasure.
 

Symington is useless and Pollina is just downright sad.
 

Douglas is both useless and sad.
 

Go Douglas!
 

Douglas is the man!
 

Douglas lacks vision, lacks leadership, increases political partisan bickering, aall while he touts his fiscal skills - which have cost Vermonters more money!

If Douglas' budgets had been approved, it would have cost over $100 million more in local property taxes - as he continues to try and shift more and more budget items to local government!

Under his watch as State Treasurer, the state was hit with a roughly $300,000 penalty by the IRS.

Because of Douglas' partisan bickering and veto (for a foolish and frivolous reason) of a retirement bill a few years ago, he cost the state approx. $1 million.

And this year, Douglas proposed an Ec Stimulus item that was blatantly illegal - it was the legislature that found a way.

As for his 15 pt Ec Stimulus pkg, the legislature reviewed it and fixed or made better some of his points, rejected others and added 11 more for a total of 26.

DOUGLAS IS WEAK!!!!
 

For all you revisionist out there, it was Douglas that put a plan on the table. The Dems and Progs offered nothing other than gridlock and the tired belief that bigger gov't and higher taxes equal economic growth. As always they jumped on the Douglas bandwagon because they knew(even though politically they couldn't admit it)it was the right thing to do for the State.

Use a little common sense, it is the gov't that has legislated us into this situation (R's, D's and P's all have a hand in it). Given that performance why would you ever trust them with more responsibility?

As for Douglas' pushing costs down to the local level, I don't struggle with that. He has made a statement that this is something Gov't should not pay for acrossed the board. He has given the option to the local gov't to decide if it is something they want to have and pay for. The only issue I have is when that was pushed down, he didn't aggressively pursue a corresponding reduction in State Income Tax because the spending requirment had gone away.

You all think Douglas is a dud but he has been the only one that has consistently brought forth an agenda for the State. Symington hasn't. Shumlin hasn't. Pollina hasn't.

Go Douglas!
 

You have got to be kidding me!

Jim Douglas is all about politics,partisan bickering, getting re-elected, and passing the buck to someone else to deal with.

On many issues, he waits in the weedsd onissues, then after the legislature passes it, he comes out of hiding.

He, Mike Smith, Neale Lunderville, Jason Gibbs, and now Dennise Casey are not inclusive with their dept heads or anyone in the legislature.

It's always there way, or the highway. That makes for a real conducive collaborative environment - NOT!!!

Jim Douglas will not go down as one of Vt's best governors - although he would like to think so!
 

You all seem to be pretty well-read. I don't get to spend a lot of time on-line to research and I was wondering if anyone had the answer to this question:

Leahy, Sanders, and Welch all repeatedly voted their approval (and succeeded in passing the Bill) for the non-competitive sale of a section of Vermont's National Forest land to a Vermont Ski Area as included in Bill HR 2419. What was Gaye Symington and Jim Douglas' position on this? Anyone know? Where do I look?
 

good luck
 

I'll go ask them directly and let you know.
 

I would love to hear what they say.
 

I sent copies of the same email to both offices. We'll see.
 

YES
 

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