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3.13.2008

 

Out of the mouths of out-of-staters

One of the coolest things about the Vermont Statehouse is its simplicity. There isn't a whole lot of spare room there, which I would venture to say is a good thing. It means there's no place to hide, and that's good for government, though it can be tough on the knees.


Today I overheard someone asking a page (the 8th-graders who spend a few weeks working in the Statehouse delivering messages) where the minority leaders' office was. Clearly an out-of-stater. The minority leader's office is his desk in the House chamber. When the House isn't in session, you can often find him there conferring with the assistant majority leader. The majority leader's office often is a table in the cafeteria or a space in the corner of the speaker's office.
Space was at a premium this morning in the Senate Economic Development Committee, where I squeezed in with about 50 people who were interested in the Abenaki recognition issue (shown here at right). If I've learned one thing after four years of traversing the Statehouse, it's how to pick a spot in a room. In this particular one, there's a lot more space at the far end than near the door, so it's worth climbing over people to find sanctuary on the other side. Get caught near the door and you likely will get caught upside the head by the door.


Based on the looks on their faces, it wasn't very comfortable for the people crammed in on that side of the room, but it's the price we pay for government that's close to the people.


The governor himself has a spacious ceremonial office, large enough to host several Scout troops at a time, but his staff has an oversized water closet. It's a wonder they can stand each other.


- Terri Hallenbeck



Comments:
No one else can stand them, why should they be able to stand each other?
 
Um. So JW is a big fan of Doesless's staff people. Go figure.
 
yawn
 
How big will Eliot Spitzer's office be over the next few years?
 
35' x 56'
 
Why try?

Whenever you see something written by "JWCOOP" just skip over it.
 
GW Bush is the best President that we've had in the 21st Century.
 
George Bush will eventually be ranked with Harry Truman, a president with a lower approval rating than Bush. He was not a favorite with the liberal media, either. However, I doubt if any future congress can match the 20% approval ratings of Pat, Bernie, and Peter! (I hope Vermonters, hurting bad enough because of the liberal fools running this state noticed that the three stooges have all voted to restore Bush's tax cuts!)Oh sure, only on "the rich"!
 
The three greatest lies ever told:

1.) The check is in the mail

2.) Really, I'll respect you in the morning

3.) No really, in the 20 years I have gone to Trinity United I never heard Reverend Wright make any comments like that! I am appalled.

As O.B. explained on Fox today, he apparently was not in attendance any time when anything like this was said...ever....no really...ever. Just how often does O.B. go to church?

C'mon. A leopard doesn't change it's spots. Gee whiz JW, you say that in your own charming way all the time to all us nitwit anon's.

These comments have undoubtedly been made before. This is just one more politician telling one more set of lies to achieve his goal.

We need change but this isn't it.
What do you really know about this guy?

Captain America
 
jw makes unfounded charges in his 7:41 3/14 rant as to who supports McCain, such as the Klan, Hamas, PLO, and on and on. Unlike the "rev" Wright who has even served on Barack's election committee, there is no proof or even a suggestion by non-lunatics that Hamas, PLO, and the Klan support McCain. As a matter of fact, it would behoove Hamas and the PLO to support Barack as he will turn over Israel to them on a silver platter.
 
The biggest lie:

-anyone cares what jw or bubbba have to say.
 
blatherskite
 
Ignorant, ill-informed, factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, Anti-American, Anti-Semitic, white-supremacist scum.
 
Proof to the original post....

Blatherskite
 
Ignorant, ill-informed, factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, Anti-American, white-supremacist slime, with no supporting evidence.

Bupkis.
 
bubba has left a new comment on the post "Out of the mouths of out-of-staters":

"I guess this means you agree with Barack Hussein's close advisor, "Reverend" Wright when he calls our country "U.S. KKK-A", or compares Truman's bombing of Japan to 9/11!"

No, but I know it means you've got bupkis, little bigot boy. There's no need for guess work.

"Or that we intentionally gave the HIV virus to blacks to keep them down, or that we are "God damn America"! If you think scum like this will ever run our country, then you are more delusional than I had ever believed.

And your evidence that Wright is running for President, little bigot boy?

That's what I thought.

"...Barack is as rotten and corrupt as any other Chicago or Washington D.C. or Newark or New York pol ever was,...."

And your proof of this is......?

That's what I thought.

"...and all he has going for him is the stupidity of Americans demogogued and conned for years by the anti-American left, from the Kennedys and Leahys down to the bottom feeding swine like Brooklyn Bernie..."

I take it the Leahy and Bernie you mention are two of the three members of Vermont's duly-elected Congressional Delegation, little bigot boy.

"This fight is just beginning!"

Ya see the guy standin' over your ignorant, white-supremacist ass counting 3498, 3499, 3500, schmuck?

You lost when he reached 10.

You're ignorant, racist, Anti-American slime, bubble boy.

Disappear.
 
JW's 12:32 post is apparently dissing his 12:30 post.

What a maroon! Perhaps he will take the advice he gave himself and disappear.
 
JW
I didn't ask you to defend Bush, Cheney, McCain etc

I asked you to defend
Obama
Tony Z
Rev Wright

Does that clarify it Asshole

Put up or shut up

Oh the boys scouts are coming getready JW
fun time !!!!!!!!!!!!! Do they sell cookies too!!

Maybe you can be a priest when you grow up !!
 
Let's see Barack said:

1. Last week he said: I was never in attendance when Rev. Wright said those things. Then this week he said I did hear them but didn't agree with them. So much for telling the truth and credibility.

2. He said you have to understand the Black view of racism to put the comments in perspective. The problem is the comments weren't about race, they were about hate mongering and anti-American views.

3. He said even his poor white Grandmother has said she is afraid of black men on the street. I assume she said that in private to Barack expressing her feelings and fears. Rev. Wright made his comments to a packed congregation intending to incite the crowd against the U.S.

4. The grandma comment was classic. Throw her under the bus to rationalize your association with an anti-American nut job. B.O. has no shame.

5. He said he doesn't/can't disavow Wright but has no qualms about dropping him from his campaign committee. Clearly this guy doesn't have the strength of his convictions.

So why did Barack stay in that church for 20 years being mentored by his 'crazy old uncle'? Unlikely because the message of Christianity (that is taught many places with less hate talk). More likely it is a big church in his voting district and an ideal place to build his political basis. The ends justify the means.

Unrelated to Rev. Wright, BO has recently given an interview to a Chicago paper explaining he didn't realize how deeply Rezko had been involved in his past campaigns.

If this is a campaign about who has exercised the best judgment over their career, you have to question B.O's. Does this sound like a man of integrity? No... He sounds like just another Chicago politician.

Captain America
 
FYI.... interesting article on the BO perspective.

------------------------------
Judith Apter Klinghoffer

OBAMA ON HOW TO TALK TO WHITE PEOPLE

In the good, old tradition of revolutionaries, Obama hides in plain print. So, before listening to his speech, it's worth while to note the following passages from his autobiography:

On p. 94-95 he describes an effective tactic to deal with White people:

It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved - such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.

Indeed, when he was a community organizer (age 22 prior to going to law school) he happily cooperated with Rafiq, a former gangster turned Nation of Islam. He even believed that Black Nationalism was a good therapy for Blacks. That was also the reason he supported Wright(p. 190-200. For he shares Michelle's sentiments of alienation, came to believe that race should trump everything and it should be anti-white: . . . "all the black people who, it turned out, shared with me a voice that whispered inside them - "You don't really belong here."
 
I find it interesting that the man (Obama) who didn't want to make the nomination campaign a discussion of race has now made it exactly a conversation about race as a way to deflect the questions of his association with a hate-monger.

Wright, Rezko, Ayers....there are far too many associations with questionable characters and too many attempts to brush them under the carpet and believe this is a man of true character. He is just another scheming politician.

I believe BO has said it is time to "move on" from this conversation. For those that don't know, that is liberal-speak for 'I don't have a good answer to your legitimate questions so let's just talk about something else'.

Captain America
 
This comment has been removed by the author.
 
JWCoop10 said...
Anonymous

"FYI.... interesting article on the BO perspective."

------------------------------


Interesting how you neglected to identify just which factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, white-supremacist slime publication MS Klinghoffer writes for, little lyin' sack of gop-slop fella.

Then again, you've failed to produce a shred of evidence or PC in support of any of your Factually-Challenged, Fundamentally-Dishonest Anti-American and pathetically-desperate dreck, little fascist-fraud fella.

Nice try, schmuck. You have no case. You have no clue. You only have bupkis.

You're dumb, you're scum and you're wastin' my dog's oxygen.

Disappear.

10:07 AM, March
 
Yeah JW! You go girl!
 
Anonymous said...
JW

"I didn't ask you to defend Bush, Cheney, McCain etc"

Well, little fella, seein' how they're indefensible, that's not exactly a surprise.

"I asked you to defend
Obama
Tony Z
Rev Wright"

On what grounds do they need defending, little fella?

Nice try, schmuck. As always, feel free to produce any and all evidence of my support for Wright's despicable claims and Rezko's activities.

You'll find them right next to my Pro-Pollina comments, Saddam's WMD and your substantiated allegations, little factually-challenged, lyin' sack of gop-slop fella.

As for Obama, if you factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, bupkis-spewin' nameless-nitwits can establish evidence of criminal activity or misconduct, we'll talk.

Unless and until you can demonstrate the ability to do that, you remain the same factually-challenged, desperate, delusional dreck merchant desperately throwin' gop-slop at the wall in the steadily-fading hope that something will stick.

It hasn't and you've got bupkis.

"Does that clarify it Asshole"

Yeah, you're ignorant, ill-informed, Anti-American white-supremacist slime with bupkis making specious allegations you can't substantiate and frequently can't spell.

So stipulated.

I never doubted your coalition of the clueless-cretin credentials for a second, little fella.

"Put up or shut up"

Go cheney yourself, punk. You're anonymous, ignorant trash with bupkis.

"Oh the boys scouts are coming getready JW
fun time !!!!!!!!!!!!! Do they sell cookies too!!"

Gee, too bad they don't sell legitimate arguments, schmuck. Clearly, your coalition of the clueless cupboard remains bare.

Nice try.

Dismissed.
 
Yeah JW! You tell 'em sister!
 
jw spews: "
Interesting how you neglected to identify just which factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, white-supremacist slime publication MS Klinghoffer writes for, little lyin' sack of gop-slop fella."

Being the queen of the Google search I thought you would have figured it out. But since you haven't it's from George Mason University's History New Network.

Do you know them to be a factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, white-supremacist slime publication? Please share the proof little man.
 
Actually JW, where the atricle was written is not relevant. The essence of the article were the 2 quotes taken from Obama's books and they were referenced.

So on futher review I agree with you entirely the references were from a factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, white-supremacist slime publication.

Wouldn't yo agree?
 
Little factually-challenged, Anti-American, lyin'-slime fella spews:

"Being the queen of the Google search I thought you would have figured it out. But since you haven't it's from George Mason University's History New Network."

And being the fuhrer of factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, Anti-American, racist-slop who's established nothing but a consistent inability to substantiate your specious allegations, you assume facts not in evidence.

You cited the article, schmuck. You offered it into evidence. It's up to you to establish its credibility.

Unless and until you do that, by definition, it remains factually-challenged slop and you remain ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis.

"Do you know them to be a factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, white-supremacist slime publication? Please share the proof little man."

No, but I know you to be lying scum with no credibility whatsoever, little deduce bag fella.

Again, you cited the article. You offered it into evidence. It's up to you to establish its credibility.

Unless and until you do that, then by definition, it remains factually-challenged slop and you remain ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis.

That's a fact. Actually, it's a series of them.

Dismissed.
 
You are right as usual JW. Barack Obama's book providing an account of his experiences with references cited is not credible. Barack is not credible based on the events of the last days. That's the first and probably last thing we agree on.

Crawl back under your rock.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Out of the mouths of out-of-staters":

"Actually JW, where the atricle was written is not relevant."

Actually, nameless-nitwit with bupkis, it is.

You cited the "atricle", schmuck.

You offered it into evidence.

It's up to you to establish its credibility.

You haven't.

In fact, the only thing you've established is your inability to spell the word article.

"Wouldn't "yo" agree?"

So, unless and until you do that, you remain a bupkis-spewing nameless nitwit consistently making specious allegations you can't substantiate and often can't spell as you desperately throw gop-slop nonsense at the wall in the pathetic hopes that something will stick because you have no case against Obama or Hillary and you can't run on your own record.

It hasn't. You can't.

"The essence of the article were the 2 quotes taken from Obama's books and they were referenced."

No, it's some schmuck unwilling and/or unable to reveal the source of yet another factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, white-supremacist slime
article he's cited in support of his latest bogus allegation against Obama.

Alas, that leaves you bupkis-spewing, anonymous, ignorant-trash making specious allegations he can't substantiate who can't spell bupkis.

I never doubted ya for a second, slugger.

Dismissed.
 
Go back and watch some more Perry Mason reruns.

You are an empty suit. You have offered nothing to the board...ever
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Out of the mouths of out-of-staters":

"You are right as usual JW."

It's kinda hard not to be given the comp provided y


"Barack Obama's book providing an account of his experiences with references cited is not credible. Barack is not credible based on the events of the last days."

No, it's some still-unattributed article by a Ms Klinghoffer claiming to be referencing Obama's book and you remain ignorant trash with bupkis.

Go cheney yourself, schmuck.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Out of the mouths of out-of-staters":

"You are an empty suit. You have offered nothing to the board...ever"

Gee, thanks, little empty-sheet fella.

And you, once again, prove yourself to be ignorant trash with bupkis continuing to waste my dog's oxygen.

Disappear.
 
More for the B.O. hypocrisy file...from the Riehl World View:
----------------

Is Obama A Hypocrite?

Gee, who or what led Drudge to dig this up today and re-link it? But fair is fair, I suppose. And, in hindsight, Obama wasn't very fair to Imus. Obama was one of the first to call for Imus' firing from MSNBC. Maybe he should have let him just give a speech, instead?

April 11, 2007 -- "I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."

Very nice huh Coopy..... just another empty suit windbag. You two should form a club.
 
"And you, once again, prove yourself to be ignorant trash with bupkis continuing to waste my dog's oxygen. "

Again, my condolescences to youyr poodle Fluffy...otherwise yawn.

Bring something of substance once you empty suit.
 
JW grunts: "So, unless and until you do that, you remain a bupkis-spewing nameless nitwit consistently making specious allegations you can't substantiate and often can't spell ..."

We have had this conversation before. I save spell checking for important people.... Is the ol' memory a little foggy?

Any new material? You are painfully predictable.
 
Anonymous said...
"And you, once again, prove yourself to be ignorant trash with bupkis continuing to waste my dog's oxygen. "

Again, my condolescences to youyr poodle Fluffy...otherwise yawn.

"Bring something of substance once you empty suit."

In other words, you want me to pretend that you're a serious person with a legitimate point of view worthy of careful consideration and debate when you're not, you're not and you don't.

You're ignorant, anonymous trash with bupkis continuing to waste my dog's oxygen, little factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest fella.

Disappear.
 
From Fox News.... it just doesn't end with Barack's hypocrisy


___________

One day after Barack Obama delivered a speech calling for improved race relations in America, the blogosphere was buzzing Wednesday about whether his campaign planned to remove an endorsement by the New Black Panther Party from his Web site.

The New Black Panthers, who inherited their name from the Black Panther Party of the 1960s, has a page on the Obama campaign’s public forums that says it is backing Obama because he “represents ‘positive change’ for all of America. Obama will stir the ‘Melting Pot’ into a better ‘Molten America,’” the group says.


The NBPP, which has been led since 2001 by Malik Zulu Shabbazz, is identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a tolerance education organization, as an extremist hate group. The Anti-Defamation League calls NBPP “the largest organized anti-Semitic black militant group in America. … Under Shabazz, the group continues to organize demonstrations across the country that blend inflammatory bigotry with calls for black empowerment and civil rights.”

Very nice huh JW.... a real champion of positive change.


Captain America
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Out of the mouths of out-of-staters":

"From Fox News.... it just doesn't end with Barack's hypocrisy."

Fixed news, eh?

Well, at least you've identified the source of your disinformation this time, little factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest fella.

That's step in the right direction.

"One day after Barack Obama delivered a speech calling for improved race relations in America, the blogosphere was buzzing Wednesday about whether his campaign planned to remove an endorsement by the New Black Panther Party from his Web site."

So, according to fixed news, the blogosphere was buzzing. Gee, thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.

"The New Black Panthers, who inherited their name from the Black Panther Party of the 1960s, has a page on the Obama campaign’s public forums that says it is backing Obama because he “represents ‘positive change’ for all of America. Obama will stir the ‘Melting Pot’ into a better ‘Molten America,’” the group says."

Calls for positive change and characterizations of America as a melting pot, eh. Scandalous.

That's gotta be a historical first.

Ya wanna pick up the pace and get to the part where I'm supposed to give a cheney, chump.

"The NBPP, which has been led since 2001 by Malik Zulu Shabbazz, is identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a tolerance education organization, as an extremist hate group."

They did, eh? They also said Anti-Semitic, Anti-American, white-supremacist swine have established a Klan Chapter in Rutland, too, little fella. Congrats.

"The Anti-Defamation League calls NBPP “the largest organized anti-Semitic black militant group in America."

Really? How'd they stack up against the Klan, little fella?

disinformation this time, little factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest fella.

Feel free to provide evidence of them saying that, little factually-challenged fella.

I'm sure you'll have no trouble providing evidence of them saying all that and more

While you're at it, what do they say about the Klan or the Republiklan Party, little fella?

What percentage of the Jewish Vote did Bush get in 2000 and 2004, little fella?

That's what I thought.

We know neo-nazi slime bearing bupkis when we see ya comin', schmuck.

As history clearly shows, Anti-Semitic, White-Supremacist slime like you have given us plenty of practice over the years.

"… Under Shabazz, the group continues to organize demonstrations across the country that blend inflammatory bigotry with calls for black empowerment and civil rights.”

Demonstrations calling for Black Empowerment and Civil Rights, eh? Shocking.

Hoover used to accuse MLK of that stuff. He was Anti-Semitic, white-supremacist, Anti-American lyin' scum with bupkis, too.

Dismissed.
 
All insults.. No substance as usual.

Empty suit.
 
Justa Wienie said...

Actually who cares. yawn
 
All insults.. No substance as usual.

Empty suit.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Out of the mouths of out-of-staters":

More for the B.O. hypocrisy file...from the Riehl World View:
----------------

"Is Obama A Hypocrite?"

No, but like you, the Riehl World View has no basis in reality or credibility, little factually-challenged fella, so I can see why ya cited it.

It's ignorant trash by ignorant trash for ignorant trash.

Unfortunately, that still leaves you both ignorant trash with bupkis, little fella.

"Gee, who or what led Drudge to dig this up today and re-link it?"

Drudge, eh? So, seein' how it's the 5th Anniversary of the Iraq Debacle and all, you're keepin' away from the legitimate sources today, little fella.

That's probably your best bet. Lord knows reality and the facts ain't doin' ya any favors.

Just pray nobody raises the issue of legitimate issues like gas/heating oil prices or the DOW's response to yesterday's big rally.

Probably the same reason he linked to the McCain/Iseman scandal in December when he and flush were trying to derail McCain for allegedly being a closet liberal on behalf of Mitt-wit Romney and the the rest of planet Wing-nut, deduce bag.

How'd that work out for them, little factually-challenged, fundamentally, keeps gettin' blood on the bottom of my boots with your face fella?

That's what I thought.

"But fair is fair, I suppose. And, in hindsight, Obama wasn't very fair to Imus. Obama was one of the first to call for Imus' firing from MSNBC. Maybe he should have let him just give a speech, instead?"

Is it your contention that Obama was in some way responsible for NBC firing Imus, little fella?

As always, feel free to cough up and and all evidence in support of that and the rest of your delusional dreck, deduce bag.

NBC canned Imus because the Advertisers were afraid of a consumer boycott and pulled their ad buys, schmuck.

If NBC thought Imus was worth the risk, they would've kept him. Given the fact that they cut him loose, they didn't think he was worth it.

It was a business decision, Sonny. It's not personal.

"April 11, 2007 -- "I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."

Is Reverend Wright still working for the Obama Campaign, little deduce bag fella?

Has McCain denounced the Catholic Church and the one-time agents of intolerance who are suddenly his new BFFs between lies about Iran training Al Qaeda terrorists before sending them into Iraq as Joe Lieberman - playing the role of Nancy Reagan - whispers "We're doing all we can" in his "good" tin ear, little factually-challenged, fraudulent fella.

That's what I thought.

You're dumb, you're scum, ya got bupkis and you're wastin' my dog's oxygen.

Disappear.
 
All factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest ignorant trash bupkis all the time.

Empty sheet.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Out of the mouths of out-of-staters":

"Justa Wienie said... "

In other words, you're ignorant trash with bupkis.

Thanks for clearin' that up, schmuck.
 
Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Out of the mouths of out-of-staters":

JW grunts: "So, unless and until you do that, you remain a bupkis-spewing nameless nitwit consistently making specious allegations you can't substantiate and often can't spell ..."

The bupkis is deafening.

"We have had this conversation before."

In other words, you're dumb, you're scum, that's your factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, ignorant-trash lie and your stickin' to it.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little fella.
 
Anonymous said...

"...I believe BO has said it is time to "move on" from this conversation. For those that don't know, that is liberal-speak for 'I don't have a good answer to your legitimate questions so let's just talk about something else'. "

Nice try, nameless nitwit.

Actually, it's Anti-Semitic, ignorant, white-supremacist, UnAmerican-slime-speak for I've got bupkis, please don't ask me about Iraq, the Economy, gas prices or the republican record or I'm totally cheneyed."

You're totally cheneyed, schmuck.

Dismissed.
 
yawn
 
yeah JW you go girl!
 
I noticed yesterday that Barack Hussein "rejected" support from the "New" Black Panthers (same trash, different name). Wonder how he did it with a straight face.
 
yawn
 
All anonymous bupkis, all the time.
 
you go girl JW!
 
Girl being the operative word
 
What is actually interesting as you think about the recent furor over Rev. Wright and BO's speech on race is the thing Barck won't address.... the breakdown of the family and particularly Black family.

*Nearly seven in 10 black babies are born to single mothers today.

*These children will fail in school at higher rates than those born to two parents.

*They are more likely to become involved in criminal activity. Their poverty rates will be higher.

*And they are far more likely to repeat this pattern by giving birth to or fathering a child out of wedlock themselves.

It's nto isolated to the African-American community, similar trends albeit to a lesser extent exist in the Hispanic and White communities also.

One blogger on a different site points out BO had the great opportunity to do this in his speech when talking about how his Grandmother raised him but he chose not to. Instead he sterotyped Grandma as a closet racist tossing her under the bus.

It's unfortunate that the guy that didn't want to make this election about race has done just that.

Captain America
 
This is all pablum for his liberal white-guilt sycophants like jw.
 
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