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3.20.2008

 

VDP tells Prog a thing or two

Vermont Democratic Party Chairman sent a letter this week to Progressive Anthony Pollina vis-a-vis Pollina's request to speak to the Democratic State Committee and the committee's decision to say not now, Anthony.

Here it is for your reading pleasure. I am expecting a response from Pollina but didn't want to keep you waiting.

March 19, 2008
Dear Anthony,
I write to report on the Vermont Democratic State Committee’s discussion last Saturday of your request to be placed on the agenda of one of our upcoming meetings. The Committee’s discussion of your request, which lasted well over an hour, was thoughtful, respectful, and consistently focused on the ultimate goal of finding the most viable candidate to challenge Jim Douglas in November. Ultimately,
however, the Committee decided not to place you on an upcoming agenda, but rather to revisit the issue at our June meeting.

You are, of course, already aware of the Committee’s decision, since I called your colleague Chris Pearson shortly after the meeting adjourned to let him know of the result. In the press, however, it was reported that you were “bewildered” by the State Committee’s decision. In an effort to remedy your bewilderment, let me provide some of the details of the discussion.

On the one hand, several Committee Members were of the opinion that little harm could come from simply listening to you make a case for your candidacy. There was even some discussion of trying to arrange an informal meeting with you after a subsequent State Committee Meeting. As the discussion progressed, however, a greater number of Committee Members expressed concern, in one way or another,
that you have not demonstrated a genuine interest in working with Democrats – in this election cycle or previously – sufficient to warrant having you present your candidacy to the State Party at this point in time.

Let me offer concrete examples of what some State Committee members said. Concerns expressed by the Committee included:

(1) your lack of interest in running in the Democratic primary;

(2) your apparent disinterest in our party’s formal endorsement process – a simple process, laid out in our bylaws, which I have explained to you on more than one occasion, and which was utilized with great reciprocal benefit by Bernie Sanders in 2006;

(3) your refusal to agree not to actively campaign against Democrats seeking legislative seats in this very election if Progressives are running in the same race (some opined that until Democrats see that you are willing to do for them the same that you are asking of them, you will likely experience a continued lack of enthusiasm for your candidacy);


(4) your lack of support for even progressive-minded Democrats for any state or federal offices in past elections (one committee member noted that, while you ran for office as a Democrat in the mid-80’s, there is no evidence to suggest that you have done anything to support the interests of the Party since then, but rather have consistently sought to undermine it);

and finally
(5) a few Committee Members referenced, but did not specifically discuss, the concerns that I raised in my last letter to you, i.e., your negative campaigns against Democrats in the recent past, your recent litigation against Democrats, and your public celebration with Republicans of Peter Shumlin’s defeat in the 2002 lieutenant governor’s race.


None of these concerns were raised with a tone of disrespect. They were points made as matters of fact to consider. In light of the foregoing, and especially given that you will not rule out actively working to defeat Democrats in this very election, but rather are merely hoping that Democrats will vote for you in November, there is no rush for the Party to embrace your candidacy at this juncture.


As a general principle, our Committee collectively believes that our meetings should be open to any speaker or topic. However, in this particular case, concern was expressed by several Members that you might attempt use the occasion of speaking to the State Committee to inaccurately construe it as some sort of implicit support
for your candidacy. Many believe you did this after your recent meeting with
the Barre City Democrats.


Let me return for a moment to the issue of the Democratic primary. It is still my strong belief that the Democratic Party will field a strong and highly qualified candidate for governor this year.


Therefore participation in the Democratic Primary remains an option for you,
and in my view could go a long way towards changing Democratic sentiment
towards your candidacy. Please consider once again the enormous difference in
sheer vote totals between the Progressive and Democratic primaries. While
the recent Progressive primaries have attracted substantially less than 1000
voters, Democratic primary turnout this year may well exceed 40,000. As I
have stated before, anyone who hopes to defeat Jim Douglas in November will
need the enthusiastic and unified backing of the Vermont Democrats.
These primary numbers certainly bear that out.

Unless I hear otherwise, the State Committee will revisit your request at our June meeting. As always, I am happy to discuss the governor’s race, Democratic-Progressive relations, or any other matter of political concern you may have at any
time.

Sincerely,
Ian Carleton
Vermont Democratic Party Chair


Comments:
Good letter.

Ian Carleton should be working on recruiting another Democratic gubernatorial candidate in case Peter Galbraith decides not to run.

Any ideas who might be interested if it's not Galbraith?
 
Looks like the Progs need to start getting behind Michael Colby's candidacy. Pollina's making a mess of everything he touches.
 
Funny how the dems seem to have several questions and yet when Pollina offers to go talk with them they say no. Wouldn't that be the place to ask their questions?
 
Can it get anymore embarrassing for either the Dems or the Progs?

The Dems can't find someone to run because they are afraid poor little Jim Douglas will whip them again and the Progs can only serve up a Milk Man that apparently can't run his little co-op but wants to run the State. Then out of nowhere comes Colby to the rescue; a recognized loud mouthed nut job.

Wonderful. I can't wait to see when O'Reilly picks this one up.

The only thing that could make it better is if our little pal JW tosses his hat into the ring. He clearly has all the answers. For a smart, polished guy like him it should be a walk in the park.
 
A sad commentary on the kind of people and their values that the left attracts, whether "progressives" or the trash that has invaded this state and taken over the dimocrat party. As the Titanic slowly sinks, the rats fight over scraps left on the decks.
 
bubba prefers the kind of trash that outs CIA agents and suspends habeas corpus.

Sound out the big words, bubba.
 
The CIA was long ago outed by Pat Leahy, in 1988 I believe, and it was REAL agents, not some political hack desk-clerk sleeping with some self-important fool. As for habeas corpus, remember Abe Lincoln? Or FDR?
 
Bush's State Department has been busted for breaching Obama's Passport Information.

Gee, what are the odds.

Congrats, little bigot boy. Your streak remains intact.

You're not just wrong, little bigot boy, you're "ignorant, lying-slime, treasonous-trash with-bupkis" wrong on all counts and your streak remains intact.

As for Leahy, I remember that he's Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Given the bush crime family's latest caper, he's about to become an increasingly prominent figure as he cranks up the Subpoena machine and puts the criminally-incompetent members of the Bush Administration's lyin'-slime asses under oath as the Bush State Department's breach of Obama's Passport Info on not 1, not 2 but 3separate instances over the past 2 months.

You're scum. They're toast. I'm feeling better all the time.

I've seen the future and gops ain't in it.

Sleep tight.
 
yawn
 
Nice try - try to shift the heat off of Barack Hussein's questionable friends and activities by changing the subject to what three civil service state dep't. clerks did on a lark. Maybe you can tell me what civil servants have to do with Bush? Aren't they regular civil servants, like highway workers, park rangers, etc?
 
It's all part of the delusional conspiracy theory that Coopy contemplates late at night in his dimly lit basement bedroom at Mom's house.

If you think back over the few short months JW has been with us and the number of finely orchestrated covert actions he has accused GW and Dick Cheney of, you can only conclude George is in fact the greatest mastermind of all time.

If you subscribe to Coopy's assertion, you can also only conclude Leahy is the biggest dunce in the Congress. With the volume of conspiracies, covert operations and civil right abuses going on all around us you would think he would be indicting people on a daily basis.

So how many investigations have been conducted(and money wasted) since the Pelosi machine took over and how many guilty pleas have been realized?

What a loser!
 
bubba has left a new comment on the post "VDP tells Prog a thing or two":

"Nice try - try to shift the heat off of Barack Hussein's questionable friends and activities by changing the subject to what three civil service state dep't. clerks did on a lark."

"Lark", eh? That must be treasonous-trash speak for third-rate burglary.

Nice try, little bigot boy.

It didn't work then, either.

What they did on a lark - actually, 3 separate "larks" between 1/9/08 - 3/14/08 is a criminal offense committed by and for the Bush State Department.

Actually, it's a series of them.

Now that they've been busted, they've admitted to three.

No one with a brain believes them.

And while that lets the ignorant-trash likes of you off the hook, given their extensive record of criminal-incompetence, no one with a brain should.

"Maybe you can tell me what civil servants have to do with Bush?

"Aren't they regular civil servants, like highway workers, park rangers, etc?"

No, they're State Department employees - at least, one of them still is - putting them under the supervision and mismanagement of one Clueless Condi Rice which renders them extensions of the Bush Administration.

They didn't swipe Obama's Picnic Basket, schmuck. Like scooter the swine, they committed multiple felonies on behalf of the Bush Administration.

Look on the bright side, little bigot boy. At least it'll take the heat off Clueless McCain's multiple lies on Iraq, Iran and Al Qaeda and his suspended campaign staffer who got busted for sliming Obama.

This Administration doesn't deserve to be impeached, deduce bag. Like the 3rd, the 43rd reich deserves to be tried, convicted and executed for Treason and Crimes Against Humanity.

Ya know, War Crimes.

Always a pleasure.
 
Another rousing endorsement for Obama.... Rev. Al Sharpton....a true stablizing force for racial harmony. Apparently they are great phone buddies. I am so glad Al is in the loop on strategy decisions.

To a much lesser extent, found it interesting that Rev. Al refers to African-Americans as 'Negroes'. I did not realize that was again PC.

Captain America.
_____________

During rally, Al Sharpton says he's keeping support for Obama quiet
By ADAM SERWER and MICHAEL SAUL
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Wednesday, March 19th 2008, 4:00 AM

The Rev. Al Sharpton is backing Barack Obama, but he's made the strategic decision to keep his support quiet.

That's the message Sharpton delivered to his flock last Saturday as he boasted of talking to Obama "two or three times a week" - and insisted the Democratic front-runner knows the rev is in his camp.

"I said, 'I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do to help you. Hillary Clinton has never done nothing for us,'" said Sharpton, recounting a conversation with Obama for his followers at his group's weekly rally.

"'I won't either endorse you or not endorse you,'" Sharpton said he told the Illinois senator as the two made their way to a Nov. 29 dinner at Sylvia's Restaurant in Harlem. "'But I will tell you I can be freer not endorsing you to help you and everybody else.'"

According to Sharpton, Obama protested and asked for his public support. "'No, no, no. I want you to endorse,'" Sharpton recalled Obama saying.

Sharpton told Obama that it would be better strategically for him to remain publicly neutral.

"If I endorse you, and they jump on somebody in Jena, you're going to want me not to go because the press is going to ask you what about your supporter," Sharpton said.

"Negroes just [ask], 'What, what's Sharpton gonna do,'" he explained. "If you understand strategy, you get somewhere."

An endorsement from the controversial Sharpton is a double-edged sword, impressing some voters and driving others away.
 
....another great American (and e-mail buddy of the Coopster) chimes in.....

______________________

Maher praises Obama speech, slams McCain on warDavid Edwards and Mike Sheehan
Published: Wednesday March 19, 2008



Real Time host Bill Maher, appearing on MSNBC's Hardball, had words of praise for White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and jeers for presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).

"I thought it was a great speech," said Maher of Obama's milestone address on race. "He never fails to rise to the occasion. I think history will look back and see him as ... the Jackie Robinson of politics."

Maher added, "It was such a pleasure to hear a speech for adults, to adults, that didn't pander, that was eloquent."

Elaborating on the hubbub over remarks by Obama's onetime pastor, Maher said, "Americans are so narcissistic, they're such navel-gazers, they only live in their own little world. ... People wouldn't know what goes on in a black church, they could be preaching jihad every week and nobody would know about it. I mean we learn this every time there's a racial episode in this country ... [E]very time people are absolutely shocked at what's going on, because obviously there really isn't a lot of dialogue between the two races."
 
yeah JW you go girl
 
Gee, Maher on MSNBC? With Mathews ("Obama makes me tingle")? Inasmuch as MSNBC/NBC are the official organs of the Obama campaign, I'm not surprised. What a crew - Olbermann, Mathews, Maddow, Robinson - rejects from the Air American loony bin with scripts prepared for them by DailyKos and NO OPPOSING VIEWS ALLOWED! No wonder they get thrashed nightly by FOX news - always Fair and Balanced!
 
Ever wonder why Obama won't appear on Fox?
 
jw spewed: "Unfortunately, as Chair of the US Senate Judiciary Committee, Leahy doesn't have the power to indict, deduce bag. He can only issue you subpoenas and put brain-dead bush-league slime under oath.

He's done that. Looks like he's gonna get to do a lot more of it, too.

Alas, the illegitimate trash in the WH refuses to honor those subpoenas and remains in Contempt of Congress."

Thank you for the kind words Coopy. You have made my point for me. Leahy apparently should go stand in the same never-ending line of empty suits that you are heading up. Poor Pat issues the supoenas and those mean old bush guys just ignore them. Can't all you powerful Dems enforce the laws? It seems if they were so grossly in contempt even a limp biscuit could bring Justice to bear.

Always feel free to serve up your hate mongering, factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest ignorant ass rationalizations of the failures of your 'team' little fella. But just so you know, you have bupkis.

What time does your shift at Ben and Jerry's start today?
 
Obama will not appear on FOX because he doesn't want to answer questions relating to his record, either in Illinois or Washington. He would rather have marshmallows thrown at him by the cooing lefties like Chris Matthews ("Barack just makes me tingle!") or the brain-dead Olbermann, instead of responding to real questions by Chris Wallace (far from a right-winger!) The giant suck-up is just beginning by the liberal press - notice how they have already made "Reverend" Jeremiah (jw) Wright a non-person?
 
Yup! Right as usual much to the chagrin of this board.
 
"No wonder they get thrashed nightly by FOX news - always Fair and Balanced!"

Always brain-dead with bupkis.
 
yawn....
 
Pollina supporters must be a sad group.
 
Pollina supporters must be a sad group.
 
JW warmly says: "I'm always pleased to hear that the little bigot boy's nameless-nitwit, bigoted-trash, bupkis brigade finds my presence so painful."

On the contrary JW. I am pleased to have you here. First one of our basic rights as Americans is freedom of speech. Although you try to shout down those different than yours, I am always glad to know you have a forum to so proudly, eloquently and vilely represent your colleagues.

Second, I find your posts more entertaining than the funny papers. Clearly no one can have such a consistent, warped and hateful POV. Your posts and you are political humor at its best. My routine is pretty fixed at this point. I read Doonesbury, Dilbert and then your posts.

Your pal,

the Little Fella
 
Dear Mr JWCOOP10:

As mayor of the proud city of Tuscaloosa, AL I am sadden to see your continued attack on our fair city. I would like to invite you to visit us to help change your unfavorable point of view.

As you know, the City of Tuscaloosa is located in West Alabama on the Black Warrior River, 57 miles southwest of Birmingham. Tuscaloosa is the county seat of 1,340 square mile Tuscaloosa County, which also includes the municipalities of Northport and Brookwood.

The City's 83,052 inhabitants (2006) represent 49% of Tuscaloosa County's 171,159 population. It is the home of the University of Alabama, Stillman College, Shelton State Community College, and several large hospitals.

Tuscaloosa looms large in the educational and institutional infrastructure of Alabama. Its diversified industrial base is anchored by the Mercedes-Benz International assembly plant which commenced production in 1997.

In 2005, Mercedes completed a $600 million expansion that doubled its work force to 4,000 employees and added another vehicle assembly line at the plant, now 3 million square feet. Today, this billion-dollar MBUSI facility plant produces three vehicles -- the second-generation M-Class, the R-Class Sports Tourer crossover vehicle and the GL-Class luxury sport utility vehicles. This year (2007) Mercedes celebrated 10 years of production in the state. Do you have any automotive industry in your fair state?

May I suggest you visit our All American City this upcoming weekend to partake in our Tour de Tuscaloosa bicycling championship. It would be my pleasure to host you in your visit.

The Honorable Walter Maddox
Mayor, Tuscaloosa AL
 
Yeh, jw - take your buddy Hoffer with you. Find out what free enterprise can do to a once-depressed area.
 
JW patriotically grunts: "...is the least I can do for my Vermont and my Country."

My Vermont? My Country? I didn't realize they were yours but that certainly answers a few questions about your behavior and your rants.

I mistakenly thought Vermont and the US belonged to the people.
 
JW, so will you be attending the Tour de Tuscaloosa?
 
JW warmly says: "I'm always pleased to hear that the little bigot boy's nameless-nitwit, bigoted-trash, bupkis brigade finds my presence so painful."

Yeah, in retrospect, perhaps I sugar-coated it a bit and went a little heavy on the hallmark.

"On the contrary JW. I am pleased to have you here. First one of our basic rights as Americans is freedom of speech. Although you try to shout down those different than yours, I am always glad to know you have a forum to so proudly, eloquently and vilely represent your colleagues."

Actually, I was responding to the other little nameless nitwit with bupkis who buys the little bigot boy's white-supremacist-slime shtick, little factually-challenged fella, but I appreciate the thought.

Especially, in light of the fact that, after seven years of shrub, gop thought has plunged in value from pennies on the dollar to its current confederate standards where you should be givin' me the keys to your Mom's house and car every time ya open your trap.

"Second, I find your posts more entertaining than the funny papers. Clearly no one can have such a consistent, warped and hateful POV."

Well, little fella, now that we've established those merit-based parameters, based on the recent TM results, that view is held by the majority of the People of Vermont, though I don't doubt for a second that you could dredge from drudge some F&M college poll suggesting that if Superman could reverse the Earth's rotation allowing us to go back in time and it were left to a small sampling of the people of PA, that the Vermont TM results would/could/will be much different.

If you could pull that off and spontaneously combust, ya just might be worth pissin' on.

Alas, that is not currently the case.

For the record, little fella, did the poll suggest these things before or after they claimed to have uncovered evidence proving that there was no college basketball on TV in March.

Once again, ignorant-trash lies with no supporting evidence are not a point of view, little factually-challenged fella. They're just ignorant-trash lies with no supporting evidence.

Hence, your thoughts are currently valued at 1945 Mein Kampf standards and you'll be compensating me at triple-KBR-overtime rates each and every time ya open your open sewer.

Nice try, nitwit. Given he fact that diligently attempting to advance thinly-disguised, delusional dreck based entirely on ignorant, ill-informed bigoted-trash bupkis is the only task you and your nameless-nitwit, coalition of the clueless comrades have been able to establish any ability to do, little fella, and you have a great deal to be modest about, now is not the time to pretentiously opt for false humility.

"Your posts and you are political humor at its best."

Alas, you remain ignorant trash with bupkis, little fella, who can only aspire to such a comparatively lofty perch.

"My routine is pretty fixed at this point."

Well, bein' ignorant, ill-informed, factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, bigoted-slime with bupkis, it'd kinda have to be.

Still, I don't doubt for a second that you're a very good driver and the fuhrer used to let you drive the Mercedes slowly along the Bertesgarten access road.

Perhaps, similar arrangements can be made for you and your little friends to continue that practice in Crawford.

The question of you being a narrow, close-minded, low-functioning nitwit with a grim prognosis for improvement has never been in dispute, little fella.

If nothing else, your bone-headed bona fides are impeccable.

Alas, you're ignorant trash with bupkis, schmuck. What else are ya gonna do. It's not like there was ever a door number two, little fella.

"I read Doonesbury, Dilbert and then your posts."

Good for you, little fella. If only ya could count cards

Again, yes, I'm sure you're a very good driver. As long as you don't interfere with the tourists, chances are good that you'll get to drive on the grounds at Crawford, but, given the weakness of the US Dollar, Foreign Tourism will be both brisk and crucial to our National Survival.

Foreign Tourist visitors to Crawford may soon rival and even eclipse the Auschwitz Bertesgarten numbers. They'd better, because, like Germany and Hitler, it's gonna take a lot longer to rebuild this Country than it took Bush to destroy it.

Wapner in five, herr hate-speech
 
bubba said...

"Yeh, jw - take your buddy Hoffer with you. Find out what free enterprise can do to a once-depressed area."

Nah, I've already seen Ben and Jerry do it here, little factually-challenged fella.

Bama loves bupkis and bigots. I'll leave that slop to you.

I'm a Vermonter.

10:19 AM, March 22, 2008
 
yeah jw you go girl you are the bravest woman i know jw hang in there sister don't let them get you down
 
Ben and Jerry's on the same plane as Daimler Benz? Yeah right and for the record you are no Vermonter. You are a transplant Vermonter wannabe. Girl.
 
Thanks, as always, for that ignorant-trash, knuckle-draggin', nameless-nitwit with bupkis take on things, little fella.
 
Anonymous said...

"yeah jw you go girl you are the bravest woman i know jw hang in there sister don't let them get you down"

Thanks for that fact-filled, thoughtful take on things, little fella.

As ignorant, ill-informed, factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, nameless-nitwits with bupkis go, you continue to prove your brain-dead bona fides while continuing to defend your title the most least-dull knife in the drawer.
 
Anonymous said...

"Ben and Jerry's on the same plane as Daimler Benz? Yeah right and for the record you are no Vermonter. You are a transplant Vermonter wannabe. Girl."

And top of the delusional deduce bag mornin' to you, too, little factually-challenged Anti-American/lyin'-scum fella!

Once again, if you knew your ass from your elbow and could substantiate your bogus assertions, you just might have a point, but you don't, you can't and ya don't.

Feel free to point out just where and when I said Daimler-Benz were on "the same plane", putz.

Of course, there's the minor matter of Daimler-Benz no longer existing as a corporate entity as of 8/07, little factually-challenged, lyin'-slime fella.

Alas, Ben and Jerry's, while no longer locally-owned, continues to exist and thrive as a going concern under the Unilever Corporate Umbrella as you continue to prove yourself ignorant trash with bupkis.

Given those facts, your clueless- contention that "Ben and Jerry's on the same plane as Daimler Benz?
Yeah right....." establishes your ignorant ass to be the undisputed, ill-informed. factually-challenged delusional dreck merchant nameless-nitwit, featherweight champion of the coalition of the clueless community.

Congrats, on your factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, delusional-deduce bag title defense, little fella.

If nothing else, and there isn't, you've once again proven your delusional-dreck merchant bona fides to be impeccable as you continue to prove yourself to be dumb, scum and a continuing waste of my dog's oxygen.

You're ignorant trash with bupkis, schmuck.

Disappear.
 
Hey Maybe Pollina could sell his milk to Ben and Jerry and then he could pay back the farmers who sweates and worked to produce the milk.
 
JW.... yesterday seemed to be one of your grumpier days. I hope all is well with Fluffy.

A weekend relaxing in Tuscaloosa watching teh Tour de Tuscaloosa may be just what the Doctor ordered.


from,
All your pals
 
Bet all of those Mercedes engineers in Tuscaloosa sure wish they had a job cleaning out ice cream vats for minimum wage in Waterbury!
 
Congrats JW your 7:18AM posting insults your 7;03AM posting. Were the eyes still a little bloodshot?
 
It was just a matter of time.
 
JW,

You have set a new record for being an overblown empty-suited, loud-mouthed windbag.

Your 1:08PM March 22 posting has 27 paragraphs and not one fact. There were plenty of items cut and pasted form previous posts, a series of repeated insults (none new by the way) and a lot of made-up unsubstantiated lunatic fringe accusations but not one fact.

Am I surprised, not really. It has been this way since you crawled out from under your rock.

With every post you make you prove to me that the one's who proclaim to be the most open minded and accepting are in fact the least tolerant and overbearing.

Your sub-human rants show your Party for everything they are.

Nice job! Congrats.
 
yeah jw you go girl you hottie you!
 
Thank god Ian finally told Anthony Pollina the way it REALLY is!
 
Wow. Ian Carleton is pretty pathetic. The VDP ought to think about a new chair.
 
Seven dollars an hour (what auto workers in Alabama get for a wage) isn't even minimum wage in Vermont.
They're complaining that they are now working for gas money.
 
Sure. If you believe engineers and other technicians at Mercedes in Alabama make $7 an hour, then you've been listening to Doug Hoffer or jw. The recently-opened Kia plant in Georgia pays an average salary of $40,000/year plus benefits. And the cost of living (compared to Vermont) is much lower (taxes, utilities).
 
"Seven dollars an hour (what auto workers in Alabama get for a wage) isn't even minimum wage in Vermont."

Two interesting points you ignored. 1.) None of the people working there were forced to do so. They all applied and took the jobs knowing the pay scales. If there are better jobs for which they are qualified, they can freely apply for and hopefully get those. If enough leave for salary issues, Hyundai will raise its salary structure to compete.

2.) Undoubtredly Hyundai is struggling with rising energy cost, higher commodity costs et.al. Tough to believe but no one is lining up to freely give them extra money because gas is expensive. In fact because the economy is rough, they are suffering a decline in sales in terms of volume and average selling price. They feel the impact and have to tighten their belt as well.

It's called the free market. It works from the supply and the demand side. There are no entitlements. Socialized systems always fail over the long term. It's a tough concept for all the Progs but you can not legislate prosperity. It is something earned by hard work and risk taking...and for good or bad some years are better than others.


Captain America
 
Does Hoffer even work?
 
Anonymous....

"Does Hoffer even work?"

Clearly, you and your nameless-nitwit arguments don't.
 
He schleps for the Progs. Attorneys will do anything for a fee.
 
He schleps for the Progs. Attorneys will do anything for a fee.
 
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