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1.15.2008

 

Kunin on Clinton's win

Maybe you saw it already, but for what it's worth, the Washington Post featured an op ed last Friday from Madeleine Kunin, the former Vermont governor. The piece offered up an interesting theory on how Hillary Clinton pulled off her stunning comeback win in last week's New Hampshire primary.

Kunin, author of a forthcoming book on women in politics, says HRC won New Hampshire because voters were already accustomed to voting for women candidates so voting for Hillary was not such a big deal.

Kunin wrote that, because the state in the past elected a female governor and currently has a woman Speaker and Senate president, "it's not startling to see women in power, because they are there in significant numbers. Their hairstyles, color choices and range of emotions are less newsworthy because they are no longer one of a kind."

She said that in doing research for her book, she found that "electing women is contagious. The more you see, the more you get." Iowa hasn't been one of those states -- yet -- and that's perhaps why Barack Obama got 35 percent the female vote and Clinton got 30 percent. In New Hampshire she got 46 percent of the female vote; Obama got 29 percent.

Kunin also had this take on Hillary's now infamous "tearing up" episode at the Derry diner.
"Running or president is different for a woman than it is for a man. The difference became clear when Clinton's voice quavered and she showed deep emotion while meeting with a group of women at a diner. It was a "just us girls" moment, when she felt she could let her hair down and they would understand. A lot of New Hampshire women apparently did."

For a read of the whole column, click HERE.

Based on Kunin's theory, Clinton won't do well in South Carolina, where she said some still hold the view that a woman's place is in the home.

-- Sam Hemingway

Comments:
With all due respect to Governor Kunin, most people who refuse to vote for a woman because her place "in the home" problably won't vote for a black man either.
 
Lets hope that those types just don't vote.
 
With all due respect to Governor Kunin, there are a menu of reasons
why Hillary got more votes in New Hampshire.
 
Anonymous said...

"With all due respect to Governor Kunin, most people who refuse to vote for a woman because her place "in the home" problably won't vote for a black man either."

Then she'll just have to win without the gop vote.
 
and without alot of other votes.
 
The Clinton's.....From your Vietnam Era Veterans.

Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Selective Service
Number is 326 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20,1968.

Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969, under authority of COL. E. Holmes.
Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.

Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas
ROTC, September, 1969.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2) (a) regisrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction.

Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!

Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from
justice.

Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from President Carter.

Bill Clinto! n become s the FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President of the United States.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by
Clinton.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people in
New York and Washington, DC. who are now dead would be alive today.

THINK ABOUT IT! It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her
forthcoming memoir. Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written. This from two people who spent 8 years being unable to recall
anything about past events while under oath.
 
Another of Bubba's GOP heroes exposed! If their not chasing boys, they're selling our troops out.

WASHINGTON (AP) - A former congressman and delegate to the United Nations was indicted Wednesday as part of a terrorist fundraising ring that allegedly sent more than $130,000 to an al-Qaida and Taliban supporter who has threatened U.S. and international troops in Afghanistan.
The former Republican congressman from Michigan, Mark Deli Siljander, was charged with money laundering, conspiracy and obstructing justice for allegedly lying about lobbying senators on behalf of an Islamic charity that authorities said was secretly sending funds to terrorists.
 
You forgot to mention that the Clintons eat babies.

They do ... no, really ... they do.
 
"The Clinton's.....From your Vietnam Era Veterans."

And this is relevant to the Kunin Article..........how?

Ya gonna tell me Hillary "dodged the draft" now, too, little fella?

In other words, ya got bupkis.

Always a hysterical pleasure.
 
Anonymous said...

"Oh sure. Belittle it as best you can. But, the fact is that he's not hiding behind state hired PR guns."

Who's paying for his staff, sport, the Red Crescent?

From the looks of things he's not havin' any trouble trashin' you and your slop. He sure as hell doesn't need any encouragement from you, little fella. Still, it's a nice gesture on your part. You gops never fail to Tee it up for us and I just wanna tell ya how much I appreciate it.

You always make this so much fun for me, little fella. Keep up the good work.
 
"JWCoop10 said...
Anonymous said...

"Oh sure. Belittle it as best you can. But, the fact is that he's not hiding behind state hired PR guns."

Who's paying for his staff, sport, the Red Crescent?"

Hey nimrod....this reply is to something on an entirely different post. You don't even know where you are posting your garbage. Take your meds, go back to your room and log off the internet until you are coherent.
 
Anonymous said...

"Oh sure. Belittle it as best you can. But, the fact is that he's not hiding behind state hired PR guns."

Who's paying for his staff, sport, the Red Crescent?"

"Hey nimrod....this reply is to something on an entirely different post. You don't even know where you are posting your garbage. Take your meds, go back to your room and log off the internet until you are coherent."

Ya mean like Bill Clinton Draft Dodger BS on a thread devoted to the comments of Madeline Kunin on Hillary's NH Primary Win, little anonymous fella.

There's just no end to the list of coalition of the clueless cases you can't make and charges you can't prove, little fella.

Nice try.

Ya got bupkis. You're toast.

You're also doin' another fine job of diggin' your own grave, little fella. Keep up the good work.

Always a pleasure.
 
"ya gonna"

"fella"

If you're going to attack spelling instead of substance, neither of the above is correct.
 
"Hey nimrod....this reply is to something on an entirely different post. You don't even know where you are posting your garbage. Take your meds, go back to your room and log off the internet until you are coherent."

He does this all the time.
 
Anonymous said...

"ya gonna"

"fella"

"If you're going to attack spelling instead of substance, neither of the above is correct."

First of all, little fella, your not knowing the difference between
"presumptuous and presumptive." is not an issue of your inability to spell, your inability to recognize that is yet another example of your ignorance and inability to know what the hell you're talking about or what day it is.

Moreover, if you knew what the hell you're talking about or what day it is, you'd know that.

Clearly, you don't, you can't and you don't.

Always a pleasure.
 
"JWCoop10 said...
Anonymous said...

"Oh sure. Belittle it as best you can. But, the fact is that he's not hiding behind state hired PR guns."

Who's paying for his staff, sport, the Red Crescent?"

"Hey nimrod....this reply is to something on an entirely different post. You don't even know where you are posting your garbage. Take your meds, go back to your room and log off the internet until you are coherent."

Ya mean like Bill Clinton Draft Dodger BS on a thread devoted to the comments of Madeline Kunin on Hillary's NH Primary Win, little anonymous fella.

There's just no end to the list of coalition of the clueless cases you can't make and charges you can't prove, little fella.

Nice try.

Ya got bupkis. You're toast.

You're also doin' another fine job of diggin' your own grave, little fella. Keep up the good work.

Always a pleasure."

Very nice....this is about as incoherent as it gets. JW, its time to stop blogging and go back to your day job...Montpelier's Village Idiot.
 
You forgot to mention that Hillary drinks the blood of young virgins for fun.
 
She does?!
 
Oh, yeah!
 
"JWCoop10 said...
Anonymous said...

"He does this all the time."

You're too kind, little fella.

You dig your own grave, I just point it out, sit back and watch and laugh as ya jump in and pull the dirt in behind your bone-headed, ignorant, fundamentally-dishonest ass.

You and your bubble boy are the ants to my magnifying glass on a sunny July day.

That's entertainment.

10:28 PM, January 16, 2008"

You dolt. Pay attention, read, and comprehend. The point under discussion was your frequent practice of posting on the wrong thread.
 
Hey, jw, did ya ever hear back from Bill Maher on that e-mail?
 
JWCoop10 said...
Anonymous said...

"Hey, jw, did ya ever hear back from Bill Maher on that e-mail?"

Given the fact that you feel the need to Google me and inform me that I'm a 46-year old Major in the USAF, why don't you tell me, little anonymous factually-challenged fella?

Always a pleasure.
 
Hey JW, very charming post a 1:06. How do you manage to live with so much hatred bottled up inside?

Are there more charmers at home like you?
 
"Well, little anonymous fella, if by hate you mean factual information, I let it out on the lunatic-fringe likes of you before I lay my head on my pillow and dream of a future free of brain-dead bush leaguers gummin' up the works."

Where are the "facts" you've contributed to the discussion in your 1:06 posting?
 
"I wouldn't piss on ya if you were on fire, but they'd piss on ya until ya were."

JW you are so eloquent and refined. It's clear Mom didn't take the time to explain this to you but comments like the one you lobbed above really aren't acceptable in civilized society. I'm sure it's a prestige builder in the trailer park but no so much here.
 
A Dem who voted for Jeffords instead of Flanagan in 2000 is not a Dem.

JFK was about to pull us out of Vietnam just before he got shot.

Still waiting for the explanation on these.
 
"Still waiting for the explanation on these."

Unlikely any are coming. Just the usual Schmendrik's, coalition of the clueless, moron's and nitwits.

There is no substance to JW; never has been, never was.
 
Anonymous said...

"A Dem who voted for Jeffords instead of Flanagan in 2000 is not a Dem."

Glad to see you've finally grasped that fact in addition to what year it is, little fella.

Ya can't pull the wool over your eyes more than 50-60 times.

"JFK was about to pull us out of Vietnam just before he got shot."

I've heard that, too.

"Still waiting for the explanation on these."

Which part of "No, they're not." is continuing to elude you, little fella?

I'm still waiting for you to produce the evidence that Symington has a "P" as well as a "D" after her name in the Legislative Directory giving her a "Veto Proof Majority", little nameless, witless evidence-free, factually-challenged fella.

Of course, I'm still waiting for you to produce your evidence proving I'm Doug Hoffer from before T-Day, little fella.

How ya makin' out with that, little fella?

That's what I thought.

Always a pleasure.
 
Nice avoidance, little fella.
 
Anonymous said...

"Nice avoidance, little fella."

Ya mean like your proof that I'm Doug Hoffer or that Jeffords ran against Flanagan on the 2006 ballot, little fella?

Nice try.

Always a pleasure.
 
Jeffords ran against Flanagan in 2000. Still, nice avoidance of standing up for your overbroad generalization that a Dem can't vote for a Republican and still be a Dem. Lotsa Dems voted for Jeffords in that race, little fella.
 
onymous said...

"Jeffords ran against Flanagan in 2000."

That's not the song you were singin' the other day, soul sister.

"Still, nice avoidance of standing up for your overbroad generalization that a Dem can't vote for a Republican and still be a Dem."

Again, which part of then they're not a Dem is givin' you trouble, little fella?

"Lotsa Dems voted for Jeffords in that race, little fella."

Ya don't say.

Then they're gops. Whether they still are is another story, but they were on that day.

Again, little fella, just what part of that is givin' you trouble?
 
"Then they're gops. Whether they still are is another story, but they were on that day."

No they weren't. Sorry, the law doesn't make you the "decider." I'm sure that frustrates the hell outta you.
 
Anonymous said...
"Then they're gops. Whether they still are is another story, but they were on that day."

"No they weren't. Sorry, the law doesn't make you the "decider." I'm sure that frustrates the hell outta you."

And you are?

That's what I thought.

Nice try, nitwit.

Once again, little anonymous fraudulent fella, you telling me what you say happened is not evidence.

I don't give a damn if you claim it was the Butler in the Study with a Candlestick. It's gonna take more than your word on the matter to constitute evidence.

It's merely you telling me what you say happened.

Big difference.

Moreover, for the sake of argument, let's say that you know which year you're talking about and are being truthful when you claim that you voted for Jeffords in 2000.

In what way does you voting for a Republican prove you are a "loyal 'dues-paying' paying Democrat"?

That's what I thought.

In other words, ya got bupkis.
 
Fine. If you want to take the position that Jeffords didn't get elected in 2000 with the votes of Vermonters who consider themselves Democrats, go on and believe it.

Gravity and evolution aren't real, either, little fella.
 
Anonymous said...

"Fine. If you want to take the position that Jeffords didn't get elected in 2000 with the votes of Vermonters who consider themselves Democrats, go on and believe it"

I don't give a damn what you consider yourself, little fella. That don't make it so.

You can consider yourself to be a well-informed, intelligent human being despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I'd bet against it.

You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't.

"Gravity and evolution aren't real, either, little fella."

I'm not surprised to hear your ignorant, ill-informed Tunbridge Taliban ass say that, little fella.

Shoot, ya just won me 50 bucks by sayin' just that.

As a rule, I always take the nitwit and the points. It's money in the bank 92-95 percent of the time.

On the other hand, all bets are off when you start telling me what you consider yourself to be.

You loons have made more than a few mortgage payments for me over the years. I just want ya to know how much I appreciate it.

Always a pleasure.
 
"You loons have made more than a few mortgage payments for me over the years."

Well, we knew it wasn't cuz you work for a livin.
 
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